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OH, TOTALLY!!! Man, I have just come to despise that scumbag SO much...I'll go along with you about not naming him here, but I have all kinds of play-on-words names for him now (the name itself invites such appropriate ones, rhyming as it does with "Crier" and "Liar", "Fire" and "Buyer" and on and on), to go with the program he is now with and the Conference they play in. Don't get me started...
It is all I can do here NOT to launch into a full-on FREAKOUT tirade over some of the latest BS I have seen from this mofo, and (Again!) the TV-guys' fawning willingness to just fall all over each other, gushing about his talent and brilliance--it's just sickening! Here's the thing: This individual is such a complete phony, such an underhanded piece-of-work and, underneath the smooth performance such an empty-betrayer, driven only by ambition for its own sake, it is my belief that, devoid as he is of ANY ethical and/or moral underpinnings, it is inevitable that he has done, and will CONTINUE TO DO the kinds of things that eventually snowball and catch up to people like him. With no true connection to ANYONE, let alone any loyalty-based life-long commitments--only "fully-fleshed-out-and-ACTED-out-performances--someone or something will "crack" somewhere along the line and it'll all come crashing on, in and down around him and everyone who is depending on him at the time...
Mark My Words: "Family", "Friends" and everyone else who now sings his praises have been and will CONTINUE to be fooled and betrayed: "The FALL" is coming, long, hard and spectacular--and it couldn't be headed for a more deserving target. My only concern is that it not splash back too badly on us: Hope that the slimy, poisonous pond which he has created around himself and now swims in, is far enough removed from the schemes he may have tried while here at UF, that they're NOT a part of what is eventually going to blow-up, on and around him, where he is now.
I guess I am alone on this one. I am happy for Urban Meyer. He is back home, and he will find it easier to win games outside the Grown Man Football Conference. Am I bitter about Zombie Urban and how he left? I was for a little bit, but then I got over it. The difference between Urban Meyer and, say, Steve Spurrier and Will Muschamp, is that Spurrier and Muschamp were Gators before they became Gator coaches. (In the case of Will Muschamp, I mean that he was a Gator fan, not necessarily a Gator grad.) Meyer's home is up there in Yankee land, and he is happy. I cannot wait until the next time the Gators get to crush his team. When he returns to the Swamp after putting his name on the Gator Ring of Honor, we should welcome him with open arms. To do otherwise would be classless on the part of the Gator Nation. We are better than that.
Sorry man--the only part I happen to agree with above is that yes, you are "alone on this one".
Frankly, I am surprised at you, for a lot of reasons that begin with you having your own eyes and a good brain to process the clear evidence that those have recorded and presented to it. I could say a lot more, but I've said my piece already and otherwise think too much of you and your thoughts on too many other issues to pursue this any further here.
Just remember what I warned of above, and hope to HELL the man you admire so much doesn't cost US more trouble than he already has (with his casual near-destruction of our program before leaving--imo to a great extent extent undoing whatever gratitude we may have once owed for the Championships he brought), if/when the public and personal disaster I am certain he is heading for somehow draws us in as well, after-the-fact.
We are acting like a bunch of sore loser FSU fans here. Meyer is gone. He did his time in Gainesville, and should be rewarded for his accomplishments. I am not saying that I wish him success at OSU. I really do not care what he does now at some Yankee school--he is Gator Bait. I do care that any Gator gets rewarded for his accomplishments. Between 2005 and 2009, Urban Meyer did great things in Gainesville. In 2010, Zombie Urban Meyer was, well, a zombie. He did not get Florida into trouble with the NCAA, but he did allow his players to further degenerate into prima donnas.
This article [Yahoo! Sports - Gators going Boom under the Anti-Spurrier] says good things about Muschamp while explaining how he fixed the program at a player level. It also talks about what Muschamp discovered while interviewing Gators as they left Florida--that the players themselves were falling apart as a team near the end of the Meyer era. They were fighting, not working together, misbehaving off the field, and getting in trouble on campus. Even Muschamp had problems getting those players to work together, but he was not afraid to clean house. This is a statement of how much better Muschamp is with people than Meyer.
This article [Yahoo! Sports - Gators going Boom under the Anti-Spurrier] says good things about Muschamp while explaining how he fixed the program at a player level. It also talks about what Muschamp discovered while interviewing Gators as they left Florida--that the players themselves were falling apart as a team near the end of the Meyer era. They were fighting, not working together, misbehaving off the field, and getting in trouble on campus. Even Muschamp had problems getting those players to work together, but he was not afraid to clean house. This is a statement of how much better Muschamp is with people than Meyer.
No, E-: That "You're acting like FSU-fans"-BS isn't gonna cut it on this one, friend...I'm not gonna bother recounting all the sleazy sh*t he pulled in-on-around, during-after-since his "stint", as you put it, all the ways he's turned out to have lied, manipulated, even stolen, and continues to try and do the same to us--won't GO into further detail, mainly because it'll work me up, piss ME off all over again, and I'd rather not go THERE again right now, OK?
But PLEASE: Spare us ALL the clever guilt-trip angle: This scumbag bought his "exile from paradise" the old-fashioned way, as they say: "He EARNED it!" You feel good about it? Hey, some people like things I'M not into at ALL, really LOVE it, know what I'm saying? That's their business...probably a good idea they don't try to put me down for feeling differently, though. We're both done with the guy, each in our own way. How 'bout we leave it at that?
Let's move on and go with the part we CAN agree on: We NOW have the best GATOR-coach we could possibly have gotten, especially when we did, and where things were at at that point in time.
Did you read his comments in response to Saban's loud public whining about how "It's not FAIR that the loser of the SEC Championship Game probably won't be in the BCS wah, wah wah, wwwwaaaaahhhh..." This after HIS team made the "PLUS ONE-Final" without playing in our Championship LAST year, the HYPOCRITE! Anyway, Chomp's response was PERFECT, just right ON: "Want to trade places, maybe? Careful what you ask for there, Nick..."
But PLEASE: Spare us ALL the clever guilt-trip angle: This scumbag bought his "exile from paradise" the old-fashioned way, as they say: "He EARNED it!" You feel good about it? Hey, some people like things I'M not into at ALL, really LOVE it, know what I'm saying? That's their business...probably a good idea they don't try to put me down for feeling differently, though. We're both done with the guy, each in our own way. How 'bout we leave it at that?
Let's move on and go with the part we CAN agree on: We NOW have the best GATOR-coach we could possibly have gotten, especially when we did, and where things were at at that point in time.
Did you read his comments in response to Saban's loud public whining about how "It's not FAIR that the loser of the SEC Championship Game probably won't be in the BCS wah, wah wah, wwwwaaaaahhhh..." This after HIS team made the "PLUS ONE-Final" without playing in our Championship LAST year, the HYPOCRITE! Anyway, Chomp's response was PERFECT, just right ON: "Want to trade places, maybe? Careful what you ask for there, Nick..."
I agree that we now have the best Gator coach we could have, but don't think for a second that Muschamp is not a saint and will not do something that we fans do not like. Urban Meyer lied and cheated? Really? So coaches NEVER lie? Call me when the NCAA nails Urban Meyer for a real "crime". I'll wait.
Not saying this Head Coach is a "Saint", only that he appears to be just what he SAYS he is, is building a team that reflects that, and I LIKE what he's doing: If he turns out to pull all the histrionics and drama-queen BS, THEN bail on us wrapped in a cloud of lies and excuses that turn out to have been hurting us inside the locker room AND on-the-field, AND leaves the program in many ways a shattered, near-empty mess, I WON'T THINK MUCH OF HIM EITHER, I can promise you...I just don't see much chance of that in his STYLE, whereas in retrospect I DO see it now in "the other guy" (and, Btw, by now, in being blinded-by-success am as angry at myself for NOT recognizing it in him sooner as at anyone or anything else)...NOW: Why do you keep doing that--turning the argument AWAY from what I (or anyone else) IS saying and making it a personal attack that revolves around how I, or anyone ELSE, sees him now?
I don't like being screwed, even less that it began while, like everyone else I was dazzled by flashy success, and then, in the end, basically HAD to just "bend over and take it", along with a fully-screwed-program and team-in-ruins while he just gets to let all the sh*t he drowned US in slide away as he goes off to start another SIMILAR tune, with just as much seeming-sincerity, for a new "admiring public". I just am so thankful and grateful that almost everyone was wrong about the guy who replaced him, the man of whom J. Foley says was his first and only call after the Meyer-resignation announcement press-conference--"There WAS no Plan B"--That this WASN'T a "ZOOK" or some "transition-hire-leading-to" ANYONE BUT THIS GUY. Oh--and THIS coach really does attempt "NOT to lie"...He just "refuses to elaborate", instead...I hope I never lose sight of, or come to not appreciate, the DIFFERENCE between these two. And PLEASE don't "split hairs" with me on this one, just because you choose not to stay angry with Meyer, E-: I'm NOT going to try and back you into a corner on this, 'cause I think if you step back alone and consider it, you MUST understand the distinctions I am making here...and I have to believe you DO see the fundamental differences between these two men in every way we are able to judge such things, based on everything we know and/or can see for ourselves, at this point. I'm not asking you to even ANSWER that here--I give you the benefit of the doubt and the grace to NOT force an answer that may be contingent upon the seeming outcome of this silly argument...It's BIGGER than all of that, after all.
I will just say this: After everything, we are in the process of "landing on our feet", BIG TIME, are and will be a better team AND program because of it, so "All's well..." Don't see ANY reason we need canonize the jerk, though--and it isn't gonna happen. He ain't Spurrier, after all--and there's too much water over the dam now, anyway...
Oh, and one more thing....I said it, and I will stand by it (though I just don't see it as much of a "stretch" now):
This guy has little in the way of honor OR ethics, and we'll see his end--and it will not be a good one--he will go down in SHAME. I'm not the only one to now see what and who he is, and I just don't see him getting away with it forever, or even that much longer...However, I almost hope it isn't TOO soon: As I've said already, I don't want to see the underhanded, backdoor weirdness I anticipate coming forth into the light end up hurting US in any way. I don't CARE if it takes some time, then, for that reason alone...Well, that AND the fact I'd enjoy a shot at seeing our Muschamp-coached program meeting his "F*ckeyes" sometime a season or two down the line, once we really begin to hit our stride (That's right--I'm saying we're going to be a LOT better than the 11-1 team we were this season--C'mon, don't you feel it TOO?)--I really have little DOUBT that by then, say 2014, we'll blow them, blow ANYONE, RIGHT OFF THE FIELD! As Coach Boom says, "Anyone, Anywhere, Anytime!"
I don't like being screwed, even less that it began while, like everyone else I was dazzled by flashy success, and then, in the end, basically HAD to just "bend over and take it", along with a fully-screwed-program and team-in-ruins while he just gets to let all the sh*t he drowned US in slide away as he goes off to start another SIMILAR tune, with just as much seeming-sincerity, for a new "admiring public". I just am so thankful and grateful that almost everyone was wrong about the guy who replaced him, the man of whom J. Foley says was his first and only call after the Meyer-resignation announcement press-conference--"There WAS no Plan B"--That this WASN'T a "ZOOK" or some "transition-hire-leading-to" ANYONE BUT THIS GUY. Oh--and THIS coach really does attempt "NOT to lie"...He just "refuses to elaborate", instead...I hope I never lose sight of, or come to not appreciate, the DIFFERENCE between these two. And PLEASE don't "split hairs" with me on this one, just because you choose not to stay angry with Meyer, E-: I'm NOT going to try and back you into a corner on this, 'cause I think if you step back alone and consider it, you MUST understand the distinctions I am making here...and I have to believe you DO see the fundamental differences between these two men in every way we are able to judge such things, based on everything we know and/or can see for ourselves, at this point. I'm not asking you to even ANSWER that here--I give you the benefit of the doubt and the grace to NOT force an answer that may be contingent upon the seeming outcome of this silly argument...It's BIGGER than all of that, after all.
I will just say this: After everything, we are in the process of "landing on our feet", BIG TIME, are and will be a better team AND program because of it, so "All's well..." Don't see ANY reason we need canonize the jerk, though--and it isn't gonna happen. He ain't Spurrier, after all--and there's too much water over the dam now, anyway...
Oh, and one more thing....I said it, and I will stand by it (though I just don't see it as much of a "stretch" now):
This guy has little in the way of honor OR ethics, and we'll see his end--and it will not be a good one--he will go down in SHAME. I'm not the only one to now see what and who he is, and I just don't see him getting away with it forever, or even that much longer...However, I almost hope it isn't TOO soon: As I've said already, I don't want to see the underhanded, backdoor weirdness I anticipate coming forth into the light end up hurting US in any way. I don't CARE if it takes some time, then, for that reason alone...Well, that AND the fact I'd enjoy a shot at seeing our Muschamp-coached program meeting his "F*ckeyes" sometime a season or two down the line, once we really begin to hit our stride (That's right--I'm saying we're going to be a LOT better than the 11-1 team we were this season--C'mon, don't you feel it TOO?)--I really have little DOUBT that by then, say 2014, we'll blow them, blow ANYONE, RIGHT OFF THE FIELD! As Coach Boom says, "Anyone, Anywhere, Anytime!"
I hope that happens soon though I ran things in the NCAA, Meyer would still be cleaning up Tressel mess. I'll admit though when Tressel resigned I posted the question could he to the suckeyes on this board. Though didn't think he do it because his "Health" and being one year removed from coaching plus that school is as demanding if not more demanding than Florida. Plus he's also the ST coach as well for them. What happened to delegating pal? Hey, I admit it's hard to hate a guy who created bit of a dynasty for the team and did win two SEC and National titles and he did bring in talent to the school. I think there's some other blame to go around like that current Temple coach, Cam Newton, John Brantley, Luke Fickell, and the 2011 suckeyes team. Of course the 2010 team did slipped especially when you have Mike Pouncey taking shots at the freshmen and couldn't snap a ball. Something went awry that season.
I would argue that being head coach of tOSU is less stressful now than being head coach at Florida for a few reasons:
1. With tOSU under probation there is no pressure in year 1 to win the NC or the B1G.
2. Being in the state of Ohio is being just a couple hours from family
3. Urban has a stable set of assistants. The guys he inherited from Tressel are not leaving. Since the University and the NCAA spared them, they are essentially indentured servants who will never be hired by anyone else.
4. Thanks to NCAA sanctions, he has built in excuses if he falls short.
5. He is seen as a savior for the program, and is well connected politically. Everyone is on his side as long as he wins 10-11 games a season, avoids NCAA sanctions, and uses his connections to improve the program.
6. The police departments around tOSU are more protective of athletes.
Remember that Urban did well for us when he had some of these conditions in his favor. Unfortunately, no Gator coach can get help from the police, Muschamp is not well connected, and there is no guarantee that these assistants will stay. Rewind to 2001, and you can see why Saint Spurrier left.
( Escambia94, Thanx for that link above (ie. the one from "Yahoo Sports!"): VERY "informative" and really good spotlight on our Head Coach, who he is and where he's headed with us and our program--which he has already made his OWN, AND made HIMSELF a part of everything "Gator"...This is what "being a Gator" REALLY looks like, and why it "feels" like he's gonna be here awhile, "for the LONG haul"...)
Its all coming out now about what was going on in our locker room by the end--and that was on the HC, for MANY reasons, direct AND indirect (I don't REALLY have to go over it all, DO I?!!)...and to cap it, there was this from that last "Oh, I'm OK After ALL--I'll come BACK"-season (in the words of one of the players): "There were fights, factions, everyone split into groups, people not showing up for practices, like taking off and saying they'd be back by Sunday but not being there on Monday...Everyone saw that he (Meyer) didn't care, so we didn't either." And here is the absolute KICKER, the sleazy knife-in-the-back-from-the-Hypocrite Coach (and remember, this went on while he was STILL WORKING OUT OF AN OFFICE IN OUR ATHLETIC DEP'T):
Secretly knowing he was about to take the OSU job and raiding our recruit-lists to sway as many as he could to go with him once he signed the contract he was then in-the-process of negotiating, Meyer had the NERVE to be whispering to prospective-recruits during this very time (this is verified and documentable, btw), "There's a lot of trouble in the Florida locker room, you know..." Yeah, "Coach", trouble that you provoked and oversaw while you were SUPPOSED to be "in charge"!!! I mean, can there be ANY argument that rationalizes THIS kind of slimy hypocrisy? Is there any wonder that for Gators like me, the more I learn the more I despise him? The more I watch and listen, the less I think of him (and the more certain I am he will get his "just desserts")?
Sorry, but I'm really just skipping over-the-surface of a virtual ocean of such material: I have been privy to so much more "off the record" from sources who know I am a FAN-FIRST, and wouldn't risk speaking widely about things that (subsequent to his leaving) have been unearthed about this "individual", "things" that have connections to darker issues and incidents that people "inside" have some trepidation COULD end up biting US on the @$$ eventually, the way the NCAA does things and all the haters out there, the established "old guard of the SEC" who would HAPPILY throw us to the NCAA-dogs to get rid of us (AND "throw them a bone", for "future considerations")--ESPECIALLY when they see and sense that we are about to GO OFF under Muschamp.
The overall attitude now behind-the-scenes at "Gator Central" regarding "the fc" (ie. "former-coach") and ALL of this is, "He's gone, good riddance, we got what we got out of the deal, good and bad, and it's mostly a matter now of limiting any connection to whatever residual bad stuff is associated with him by cutting off further association with him as thoroughly as possible...We've now got The One who'll be here for a long time, doing it right, so we focus on that, and The Future..."
OK: I've said as much as I can or will about all of this, so there it is--hope it helps to clarify how I feel and why I feel that way.
Just focus on the present--our awesome coach, his improvements and "repairs". I prefer not to dwell in the past. All things happen for a reason. We needed "the carpetbagger" or "hot hand for hire" to repair what was lost under Zook. We needed Carpetbagger's fall from grace to pry longtime Gator fan and former Shorthorn head-coach-in-waiting, Will Muschamp, from the other UT. Expect a lot of good things to happen now that Boom is well established.
Alright...I can live with that. End of discussion.
A far cry from the GPD, not to mention the UNIVERSITY POLICE...I'm sure "the current OSU coach" finds this almost as conducive to "doing business his way" as being in the "Big & Slow Ten" (and we'll never know how much THAT played a similar large role in the way this season played out for him and his team).
(Note the bland, not-quite-even-handed-way I slid all of that by without "starting anything".)
It is pretty well known that Columbus, OH and Tuscaloosa, AL cops let athletes get away with a lot as long as the crimes are not felonies.
Used to be that way in G-ville, too--but I have to say, it isn't "enforcement" of the normal nature that bothers me, but the way that it truly seems that our hometown cops, and even MORE so the UF Police (who USED to be more like "guides", so easy-going and friendly they generally were to ALL students, actually helpful when you ran into them obviously buzzed--if you encountered them at ALL), have become so heavy-handed and aggressive in going AFTER the athletes, especially the football team, as if pursuing "pelts", or a "trophy bust".
Interestingly, I'm told it all changed after that highly publicized, tragic and sensationalized series of crimes that hit in the 80s, during which there was a certain "wholesale reevaluation" of both squads' "degree of modern professionalism", as opposed to the laidback, hometown, live-and-left friendliness that had been taken-for-granted for so long, but was judged to be "outmoded in these dangerous times", according to the fast-growing city's own internal report at the time...The result was cooler, more regimented and dispassionate-in-the-name-of-"professionalism" forces. The changes, ESPECIALLY more noticeable and pronounced with the UFPD, could be seen as inevitable in the case of the city's force--less so perhaps for the University cops, who turned into a completely different sort of organization, from what I understand MUCH more ALL students' "adversaries" ("and proud of it", according to many on BOTH sides of this question)--who more and more HAVE "gone after the players" as if they "got more points for 'em" (the attitude FROM the on-campus officers , according not just to undergraduates but to older grad students and professors I've talked to who have witnessed it, is often "adversarial to the point-of-hostility--especially when stopping known- or suspected-Gator football players", according to one current prof who I went to school with there). Most interesting of all is that this reached its peak when the fc ("former coach') was in charge, and "his boys" swaggered around and an actual "us vs them" mentality seemed to flourish among the players with little discouragement in their treatment in the locker room; This has begun to change, this is thought, wherein Muschamp has both reached out to "mend unofficial fences" with the UFPD and, in a general shift that is only lately begun to grudgingly convince them that THIS Head Coach has a different attitude, the Coach has clearly shown MUCH less patience with breaking-the-rules, the team's OR the law's, on the part of his players--though not inflexible, you KEEP screwing up and you're GONE, doesn't MATTER how "talented" you are. The thing is, we are seeing how the clarity and consistency of discipline produces unity and toughness, above all a deeper sense of "team" in your locker room, and it pays off when-it-counts on-the-field.
(Still, personally, I am saddened at the loss of another feature of a warmer, simpler world that doesn't seem so long ago, but apparently IS "long GONE"...)
