http://espn.go.com/college-football...recruiting-rules-gene-chizik-according-report
Though Muschamp was named in the story (OH CRAP).
Though Muschamp was named in the story (OH CRAP).
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Auburn: the gift that keeps on giving
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Leakfan12
Don't worry--shoot, it'll be a miracle if even AUBURN actually finally pays for something here...They've been MUCHO-dirty for years now, and still nothing but an occasional "investigation still ongoing" from the laughingly-named "Infractions Committee". Same for Miami (of course, THEY had a top school official ON that committee, so no big surprise there, regardless of WHAT new revelations continue to surface). I mean, what will actually ever FALL into the category of "Lack of institutional control", according to the corrupt old fools who comprise that festering cabal? Gotta kick outta the first comment I saw in the ESPN-website comments-section, though:
"Congratulations to Oregon University on their first National Championship..."
Don't worry--shoot, it'll be a miracle if even AUBURN actually finally pays for something here...They've been MUCHO-dirty for years now, and still nothing but an occasional "investigation still ongoing" from the laughingly-named "Infractions Committee". Same for Miami (of course, THEY had a top school official ON that committee, so no big surprise there, regardless of WHAT new revelations continue to surface). I mean, what will actually ever FALL into the category of "Lack of institutional control", according to the corrupt old fools who comprise that festering cabal? Gotta kick outta the first comment I saw in the ESPN-website comments-section, though:
"Congratulations to Oregon University on their first National Championship..."
I am more worried about Will Muschamp's reputation than Auburn escaping NCAA infractions.
This woman who wrote the article has already been fired twice for playing fast and loose with facts, quotes, and a general failure to follow-up to confirm her supposedly "legwork"-produced (often sensational) information in the first place--in other words, it is now long-suspected that what she can't bend, exaggerate or pull out-of-context, she completely fabricates out of whole cloth.
THEN you have to consider the sources of her "blockbuster revelations" here. This time it is young men with obvious and particular axes-to-grind: All involved in ongoing criminal prosecutions of some of the most serious kinds, each has told different tales to different people, most have already denied or recanted at least parts of their supposed "quotes", and ALL are desperate to find ways of rationalizing their sins--and even somehow wiggling out of the worst of their remaining pending punishments.
None of this is particularly consoling in a world where once again WE aren't exactly part of the "Inside Old Boys"-network, I'll grant you. A "shadow" across the program and our Coach's otherwise rocket-propelled elevator-ride to the top of his profession, at LEAST; a possible "distraction" that somehow "resurfaces" just before some big game in the months ahead; a whispering "hint" among rival programs about possible "problems, pending new charges, even eventual sanctions" that never actually materialize but harm us in various subtle ways in the otherwise closely fought contest for image, reputation and momentum among prospective recruits, in that endless contest to build a program that annually produces Championship-caliber teams. We are otherwise a runaway wagon (at least we WERE until THIS possible axle-busting pothole) barreling into the lead among the other top teams in the top conference in college football--all thanx to our Coach, the kind of colleagues he tends to gather around himself, and the type of young man he looks for and who wants to play for HIM, there has been a steadily growing feeling of inevitability to our eventual dominance in the years ahead, all manifested in the kinds of "even better than LAST year's haul" recruiting efforts that both frighten and intimidate our rivals, and set a standard they just cannot match, one their programs' own fans see and expect from THEM. You don't think there is a bitter, jealous and conspiratorial effort to take us, and especially our young Coach, DOWN a peg or two, by any means possible--low down dirty, with whispered lies and innuendo, if that's all they've got at hand? It ain't "paranoia" if there really ARE "folks out to get ya"! All Muschamp (and US!) can do, though, is carry on, face it all down squarely, and move on, heads high and proud: Chalk it up to the "signs of success".
DRU2012 I did not know that she had been fired. Too bad the media controls what you hear about other media members.
Leakfan12 I think this Auburn alumna had an axe to grind of her own. I have seen this with Florida alumnus to a lesser degree. Some of the sports writers that have been spurned by the university are very harsh to the Gators when they go work for the Orlando Sentinel, or the Slantinel as I call it. The Palm Beach Post is also very hard on the Gators, despite the number of sports writers Florida alumni. Usually the complaint is not getting a job close to home, or not being offered a promotion, or not getting insider information out of coaches.
Leakfan12 I think this Auburn alumna had an axe to grind of her own. I have seen this with Florida alumnus to a lesser degree. Some of the sports writers that have been spurned by the university are very harsh to the Gators when they go work for the Orlando Sentinel, or the Slantinel as I call it. The Palm Beach Post is also very hard on the Gators, despite the number of sports writers Florida alumni. Usually the complaint is not getting a job close to home, or not being offered a promotion, or not getting insider information out of coaches.
She's more about herSELF and her ambitions, though, than anything else, evidently--though you'd likely get all sorts of self-righteous rationalizations were she to try explaining herself...and don't forget, too, in the SEC there are always folks at your school who HATE the football program, who come to harbor deep resentments for any number of reasons (even at UF, I knew ATHLETES for some of the "less well-followed sports" who had a real attitude towards the team, the rabid fans, the money spent on more and more lavish equipment "while we go begging, and practicing on threadbare equipment...", etc.).
Leakfan12 I think that's what may be at work in the very kind of thing YOU note, Lf--It may get me gritting my teeth sometimes, but on the whole I don't mind someone like Jesse Palmer's seeming efforts at "even-handedness", not wanting to be too much the "homer" as he builds his professional career on ESPN, but I find the sort of petty "I'll show THEM"-kind-of-thing you're talking about, all too obvious and especially notable among a number of writers, a persistent irritant on the regional level--Makes me wonder, "Where did all these bitter, vindictive and frustrated individuals, bent on 'getting even' for past slights, imagined or exaggerated, COME from?!!"
A lot of that going around DRU2012 some of those ex-players from Alabama, Auburn, Miami, and maybe others that rat on their alma mater (though don't know if they got their degrees or not) are the guys who didn't make it to the NFL and maybe they blame the university and/or football programs for that and talk or they did play in the league and washout after a few seasons in Bernard Clark's case for the U (though Bennie Blades came clean as well in the U 30 for 30 Doc and Blades played in the NFL for a decade). Of course there's Nevin Sharipo who blames the U for not coming to the his aid after he was caught in his ponzi scheme and let's not forget a couple of ex-gators coach who were key players of getting the Gators whack in the mid 1980's though I still think the president and the AD at that time should have challenge the punishment at enough to win the national title or at least play in a bowl game (could the 1984 team beat Nebraska that year in the Sugar Bowl? Nebraska beat LSU 28-10 in that Sugar Bowl. Anyone actually remember 1984 season and if the Gators could beat that Nebraska team?)
Since you asked the question about the 1984 season, I decided to dig through my notes and recall that year. Here is what I found [LINK].
Yes. The 1984 Florida Gators were the best team in the country by the end of the season. After going 1-1-1, they switched from Pell to Hall and the team rattled off 8 successive wins. They blew out a very good Auburn team 24-3, a team that featured Bo Jackson. They blew Tennessee and their 7 NFL picks off the map 43-30. They chopped the Noles and their 7 NFL picks 27-17. Nebraska lost 2 games that season, including a loss to Syra-frickin'-cuse. Granted, Nebraska lost to a very good Oklahoma team, but the Gators had the 5th-ranked strength of schedule compared to Nebraska's 53rd-ranked SOS and LSU's 16th-ranked SOS. "National champion" BYU had the 82nd ranked SOS and only played one ranked team. Florida played 4 ranked teams.
Florida should have won the national title that year.
Thanks E, plus I'm sure Osbourne didn't change his defensive schemes which got his D litt up against the U prior to that season and the Gators had to be a balance team plus they had nine or ten first rounders on that team. Also the Gators beat the same 6-5 Cuse team NU lost to. The thing that pissed me off about all this NCAA punished the Gators during that season which had to been one of the few times the NCAA has done that (before and since) because they usually don't punish the school until after the season. I can't imagine the NCAA doing that with a Bear Bryant Bama team or a Barry Switzer OU team before his QB was caught selling cocaine to a undercover FBI agent, among other teams. Heck, they didn't do jacks--t with the 2010 Auburn team with Cash Newton. I still like to know what type of money and sex acts those programs gave the NCAA officials. Also among those with an axe to grind. Anyone seen that Survive and Advance 30 for 30 Doc recently? There was a book called Personal Fouls made accustions about Coach Jimmy V by someone who briefly was in that program and even though most of those stories in that book weren't true Coach V still was forced out.
Escambia94, Leakfan12
If I'm not mistaken, the Gators WERE ranked #1 by one poll at the end of the '84 regular season: I think it was USA Today's "Top 25" (they weren't linked with CNN yet in their polling, and they were the first to go to a "Top 25" rather than the "Top 20" all the other main polls, then one each from the API and UPI--the latter now long gone--ranked in theirs until shortly thereafter) that had them there at #1 with their 9-1-1 record...I remember well what I'm pretty sure was that Galen Hall-ascendant team finally (for all of us who'd actually BEEN there for the "0-10-1 debacle" of '79), sitting there atop SOMEBODY'S poll, taping it to my fridge--where that "First First!" stayed for YEARS, until we finally moved from that place...I have this memory of a COUPLE of 9-1-1 seasons--perhaps even back-to-back?--that went unrewarded in the post-season in the mid 80s: We'd finally made it to the level we'd always KNEW was our destiny, but it STILL seemed like we'd NEVER actually be awarded an official SEC Championship, nor play in a Sugar Bowl. Even when Spurrier first got there, sanctions for past (exaggerated) "violations" again kept a DOMINANT Gator team from being credited with winning the SEC--so SS had "SEC Champions"-rings made for every member of the team with his own money, and made sure it was well-publicized when they came in and were "awarded to the young men on this fine team in a proud ceremony".
...And you're right about HOW it was handled by the NCAA in those years when it was UF--Never before nor since have the accusations been brought, proposed sanctions handed down, and actual punishments taken effect in the same season...Can you imagine ANYTHING like that happening now, to ANY team, let alone one of the NCAA's beloved favorites? They can't even manage to make the slightest progress in blatant cheating cases by now several seasons past! Across the nation, at various universities the most serious, even disgusting lists of violations are piling up, one behind the other as the so-called "Infractions Committee" drags its feet and hopes it'll all go away.
If I'm not mistaken, the Gators WERE ranked #1 by one poll at the end of the '84 regular season: I think it was USA Today's "Top 25" (they weren't linked with CNN yet in their polling, and they were the first to go to a "Top 25" rather than the "Top 20" all the other main polls, then one each from the API and UPI--the latter now long gone--ranked in theirs until shortly thereafter) that had them there at #1 with their 9-1-1 record...I remember well what I'm pretty sure was that Galen Hall-ascendant team finally (for all of us who'd actually BEEN there for the "0-10-1 debacle" of '79), sitting there atop SOMEBODY'S poll, taping it to my fridge--where that "First First!" stayed for YEARS, until we finally moved from that place...I have this memory of a COUPLE of 9-1-1 seasons--perhaps even back-to-back?--that went unrewarded in the post-season in the mid 80s: We'd finally made it to the level we'd always KNEW was our destiny, but it STILL seemed like we'd NEVER actually be awarded an official SEC Championship, nor play in a Sugar Bowl. Even when Spurrier first got there, sanctions for past (exaggerated) "violations" again kept a DOMINANT Gator team from being credited with winning the SEC--so SS had "SEC Champions"-rings made for every member of the team with his own money, and made sure it was well-publicized when they came in and were "awarded to the young men on this fine team in a proud ceremony".
...And you're right about HOW it was handled by the NCAA in those years when it was UF--Never before nor since have the accusations been brought, proposed sanctions handed down, and actual punishments taken effect in the same season...Can you imagine ANYTHING like that happening now, to ANY team, let alone one of the NCAA's beloved favorites? They can't even manage to make the slightest progress in blatant cheating cases by now several seasons past! Across the nation, at various universities the most serious, even disgusting lists of violations are piling up, one behind the other as the so-called "Infractions Committee" drags its feet and hopes it'll all go away.
Leakfan12 DRU2012 I cited the #1 ranking in the linked article. The Gators were ranked #1 in over 20 different polls, but not the two big ones, AP and Coaches. It is true that those two polls were not yet linked into an agreed upon poll system such as the Bowl Championship Series (1998-present), Bowl Alliance (1995-1997) or Bowl Coalition (1992-1994). None of the previous attempts were politically neutral, and this was before the SEC began its dominance as a conference. This meant that a 2-loss Big Ten team was "better" than a 1-loss SEC team--at least that was the thought back then.
There is another discussion in some major magazine that I need to dig up that talks about NCAA oversight committees and amateurism. The main driving point is that although the NCAA committees are flawed, it is the best we can do without surrendering the free market on scholarships and universities making money off students. This also happens to undergraduate, graduate, and post-doctoral students who are on scholarship and who do $100K work for $15K a year of dispensation while the university makes millions to billions of dollars off these students. I need to find that article. It was an eye-opener.
There is another discussion in some major magazine that I need to dig up that talks about NCAA oversight committees and amateurism. The main driving point is that although the NCAA committees are flawed, it is the best we can do without surrendering the free market on scholarships and universities making money off students. This also happens to undergraduate, graduate, and post-doctoral students who are on scholarship and who do $100K work for $15K a year of dispensation while the university makes millions to billions of dollars off these students. I need to find that article. It was an eye-opener.
Sorry I didn't respond to this sooner (been away on-location since day-after "O&B D" last wknd)...As usual, Thanks for your fine, extensive work here E-...
I would be VERY interested to see that article also--your short overview already hits some of the main points I have been arguing of late. If you DO dig it up, PLEASE re-mount it here!
Synthetic weed is all over college campuses around the country. I would not be surprised to see a story bust open about it in Gainesville, since the media there like to focus on the negative as if the University of Florida were the only university on earth with these kind of problems.
I knew about Gene Chizik being a Gator, which is why I tended to go easy on him in the early days. Nowadays, not so much.
Well he got money from getting fired, so he'll be fine. I'm also sure he'll get a D-Coordinate job somewhere.
