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Cash sought for Cam Newton

Escambia94

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During the height of star quarterback Cam Newton's recruitment out of junior college last year, a man saying he represented Newton allegedly was soliciting a six-figure payment to secure his signature on a national letter-of-intent, ESPN.com has learned.

Former Mississippi State quarterback John Bond told ESPN.com a teammate of Bond's at Mississippi State in the early 1980s contacted him soon after Newton's official visit to Mississippi State during the Ole Miss game in December, and said he was representing Newton.

Cameron Newton offered for cash in exchange for signing letter of intent, ex-Mississippi State quarterback said - ESPN

I sure hope it's not true. Although I don't consider Cam Newton a Gator anymore, he has been faithful to the Gator Nation and I hope the best for him. I just hope he did not screw the pooch and mess up by taking money to play for MSU or Auburn.
 

DRU2012

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Too early to comment...hope it never becomes "time".
Look, I can serve sour grapes like everyone else, and HAVE done in Cam's case (I as much as wished this kind of thing on the fans at Auburn when some of them showed up to gloat on a couple of our sites, after he signed with them and looked so promising--and yes, as it became so clear that "maybe we shouldn't have been so quick to give up and wave goodbye"!), but much as all that pains us, like most Americans I actually LIKE the idea of dramatic second chances. It's a good "redemption tale", though the whole "Kid stumbles, then picks himself up to win The--" Heisman-hype grates on me at times...but then ALL Heisman-hype has gotten to be a bit much. Or maybe it's more sour grapes on my part, I don't know. Anyway, we're cynical enough already (I know I am). We sure don't need this to become another "fall from grace"-tale.
 

The Zooker

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Blessing in disguise. Cam gets busted. Auburn gets hit hard with penalties. Gus Malzahn leaves to take the offensive coordinator position at Florida. Win!
 

The Zooker

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As of right now, Gus Malzahn and Chip Kelly are the premier offensive minds in college football. Everybody else is just watching and admiring.
 

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Would people trust a guy who was a coach during violations of a school?

Depends. Head coach no. A coordinator gets a bye. Head coaches get paid for more than coaching football--they are the ones responsible and the ones that get fired first. If Auburn is guilty, I'd take an OC from there but not a head coach.
 

The Zooker

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Would people trust a guy who was a coach during violations of a school?

A first year offensive coordinator would have practically no part in the matter. These issues typically involve the school's athletic director, big time boosters, and the head coach (maybe). Everyone else is seen as a liability and potential fall guy for the setup. Don't kid yourself. Major college football programs are involved in shady business. Most likely UF is too. The money and stakes are too high to play the system clean. And the people running this show are very smart. They know what NCAA investigators look for and they know how to hide from them. The way it's been explained to me is that college players are basically offered an "insurance policy." Come play for us and we'll hold x amount of dollars in a trust for you. You get injured or don't pan out for the NFL and at least you have something to fall back on. You ever wonder how bust players end up with a car dealership when they don't get drafted? It takes a lot of capital to get that kind of money. Wonder where it comes from? Guys like Reggie Bush who get busted operated outside of the "circle of trust." They dealt with dumb agents instead of the inside guys who know how to really work the system.
 

Escambia94

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Just as a side note: some are hinting that Urban Meyer and Dan Mullen are in on the Cam Newton situation. UF may not come out of this squeaky clean.
 

The Zooker

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Just as a side note: some are hinting that Urban Meyer and Dan Mullen are in on the Cam Newton situation. UF may not come out of this squeaky clean.

I wouldn't worry about it. Even if something shady did happen, the tracks would be perfectly covered up. Besides, the NCAA focuses mainly on the beneficiary of shady transactions. In this case, Auburn is the target.
 

The Zooker

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Stories like this involve a lot of politics in the world of NCAA football. The real question is why the MSU folks would let the story break. Backroom deals in the modern football world are a hush matter. Folks in the know simply don't talk about it. That's the honor code. So it's interesting to see why this story broke. Obviously Dan Mullen doesn't want to stay at MSU forever. He would have no problem breaking the story. The AD at MSU really doesn't have much of a say in the power rankings of these matters so he has nothing to lose in the matter. MSU boosters don't have any high expectations. This looks to me like a set up by the outside force to blow a story wide open. I think MSU is getting a little cocky with Mullen as their coach. They think they can compete on the big stage. But they don't have the muscle to compete in the backroom deals. This may be their opportunity to blow the whistle. As I said above though, Gator fans shouldn't get comfy in the fact that Florida football has few infractions with the NCAA. That just means they have a good infractions committee. Any program in the top echelon of football has to play by the rules of modern football. That involves shady dealings whether you want to admit it or not. Things just aren't as blatant as they were back in the day. It's all run by professionals now.
 
i wish mullen would come back here and be our coach in waiting that would be so awesome

i know LSU or somebody good is gonna take him when they have to fire their coach and he is gonna be great
 

Escambia94

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I'm not sure Mullen is my first choice for head coach. I would like to see him modify the offense at MSU to show he has his own innovation before coming to UF as HC or OC and earn top tier billing. Right now, Mullen is just rehashing the Urban Attack.
 

Leakfan12

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Just as a side note: some are hinting that Urban Meyer and Dan Mullen are in on the Cam Newton situation. UF may not come out of this squeaky clean.

Mullen yes because he's the MSU coach but Urban? Unless there were questionable practices about Newton's HS recruitment then Florida is clean. It's his JC recruitment.
 

Escambia94

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Mullen yes because he's the MSU coach but Urban? Unless there were questionable practices about Newton's HS recruitment then Florida is clean. It's his JC recruitment.

The rumor (from an Alabama forum and a co-worker Bammer fan) is that Urban Meyer and Dan Mullen got on a conference call with NCAA to convince them to take a closer look at Auburn. It's all rumor, but I figured I would toss it out there so that it does not blind side anyone if a Bammer fan brings it up. Alabama would like nothing more than to eliminate its in-state rival by getting someone else to blow the whistle on Auburn. Then again, since "everybody cheats", it would be easy to all NCAA infractions committee when things are quiet and give them something to chase.

I think the whole system is broken. We are making it criminal for a kid with an open market value to sell his skills for that open market value for some myth of a student-athlete. It just encourages schools to tattle on one another. I bet two of us on the forum here could make millions as NCAA infractions private investigators--one person to investigate and the other to plant evidence and whisper in another coach's ear.

So, the only way Florida looks bad, not necessarily dirty, is if it looks like Florida tipped off MSU to blow the whistle on Auburn. That starts retaliation whereby Auburn could get back at Florida. At least, that's my guess. More than likely there is nothing at all worth causing a commotion.
 

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I gotta tell ya, there sure ARE a lot of nasty "complexities" to this whole story--the beefs and "agendas" can add up to some messy splash-back...
This afternoon I heard these creeps on the local ESPN radio-outlet (they call themselves"Longhorn Radio", just so you get the REAL picture here), chortle away about this general subject as some "typical SEC business-as-usual", then moments later the one loudmouthed A-hole (I won't name ANY of them here--that is publicity they thrive on), an EXTREME Mack Brown-apologist (this jerk has a man-crush you wouldn't believe), slips into another attitude entirely as he brings in a phone hook-up with his perfect counterpart from Auburn, a guy who's JUST finished a white-wash interview with Cam Newton where he and 2 other hand-picked locals "interviewed Cam". He gets to spend a couple of minutes talking about "this fine young Christian man, whose only concern is that, in his words, 'the Lord continues to bless myself and our team'...and it is just ridiculous that the word of one man, who is himself under investigation, is allowed to cast a shadow over this good kid's success and magical season..." blah blah blah...then, the 'Horns-radio guy (obviously prearranged) sets him up with, "Didn't I hear something about Urban Meyer being involved in this whole business of blowing the whistle"--and that's the cue for their "guest" to pivot into what he REALLY wants to talk about: out of less than 15 minutes with this joker on the phone, at least 10 were spent tearing down Urban Meyer, blaming him and the Florida football program for this and just about every other problem connected with corruption and criminality in college football.
Now, I know what was going on here: one shill is scratching the other's back, and vice versa...Clown "A" gets to switch the focus ANYwhere but on Cam and Auburn, while Clown "L" tries to get the "bad spotlight" off of Mack and the 'Horns, the one coach/team combo who are bigger disappointments this season than the Gators are. And y'all KNOW I'm no Urban Meyer-apologist. But this REALLY P-ed me off.
I mean, first of all, these are the same guys who LOVE to point at Meyer and our "out-of-control program" every time there's any off-the-field problem with our players--can you imagine how they'd have hung him and us had he stayed and this kind of thing surfaced?!! But here they are, along with the Auburn guy conveniently leaving out all that happened with Cam at Fla., instead 'Horns-guy saying "You know he wasn't kicked off the team--him and Urban just didn't see eye to eye..." (no, I'm neither kidding nor making this up). Meanwhile, one minute Auburn-guy is crying about the unfairness of "one guy's" questionable word, the next HE'S dropping MUCH more tenuous innuendo regarding Coach Meyer's "involvement", based on some flimsy connection I still don't quite see the logic of after researching it further.
There was so much more about their claims and obvious agendas that riled me up--I won't go into it here, but it got me so hot that despite the fact I was at work (it HAD been on "in the background"), I called them up (you're SUPPOSED to be able to give your "take" on "the Drive-By") hoping to straighten out a couple of "misconceptions" (oh, I was ready), but I never got past the screener. He "accidentally" dropped me. Twice. After waiting on hold both times--and despite my best efforts to not give much away.
At a certain point of course I had to give up and move on, but there are things about this that continue to gnaw at me.
There are obviously some HUGE problems in the whole system, a system where everyone gets rich but the players, upon whose backs, through sweat, effort, risk, and sacrifice it all rests. The only thing that's changed over the years is how elaborate the whole charade has gotten, and no wonder: the dollar amounts at stake have gotten geometrically more enormous! But instead of the so-called "journalists" who dominate sports-reporting having ANYTHING to do with reporting on that mess or the inequities it leads to, the blatant unfairness and outright exploitation that continues to be self-sustaining, we get crap like the above, petty factional mud-slinging that even has ME now looking forward to being able to throw it back in "THEIR" faces if and when this turns out to be provable (I have little doubt it's "true", but...)--and, God help me, there's a petty part of my soul that's now hoping it's "when"...

By the way, there's an excellent article/overview of the "Problem" itself, a "big picture" piece available at: "rivals.yahoo.com" , dated 11/05, by Dan Wetzel, entitled "Newton Scandal shows game stays the same"

...It's as thorough and clear-eyed a run down as I've ever seen.
 

Escambia94

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Figures. Austin, Texas is a rather liberal town where college students get away with a lot more than they would in a much quieter, conservative town like G'ville. UF may be a party college, but the town itself is very tame compared to the City of Austin, motto: keep Austin weird. Longhorns are usually loud-mouthed blowhards, which is why I love seeing teams like Oklahoma and Texas A&M beat them up. I can't listen to the radio whe I drive through Austin thanks to their crappy, opinionated DJs. I like Dallas and San Antonio better--they just brag about their teams without knocking everyone else's.
 

DRU2012

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Maybe you're right...of course, I hope not, since it's Austin's "weirdness" that is one of the few things I still like about it--that and swimming in Barton Springs nine months out of the year, with the skyline on the horizon.
It's not like I have any other explanation, though. Texans ALL brag, on everything Texan, but you're right , they're extra-arrogantly obnoxious here, especially about their 'Horns.
However, I wonder if this type of exchange I witnessed on the radio earlier was unique to Austin; it was obvious that the Auburn-guy was all set-up and prepared to repeat this performance for all comers. I wonder if he got many takers, if so how many and from where? I'm sure there'd be other university towns with stations that would have him on, given the timeliness and the way Auburn is restricting access, but I'm not so sure how many would have their own interests dovetail so nicely with Auburn's agenda that they'd play publicity patty-cake with them to THAT degree. Just a passing interest, really. F*** 'em.
 

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