Dream Scenario

[awebbf5]

Well guys to me the dream scenario for me is, We beat FSU, USC beats the irish, and Georgia beats Alabama, we get them in the national championship and get revenge and get number four. I know alot of stuff has to happen but it would be nice. Thoughts?

 

[Escambia94]

This dream scenario has been discussed around the Internets. Even Vegas opened up a line on it happening. It is within the realm of the possible. SC tends to play ND hard no matter how many injuries they have. Bama was exposed by aTm, and UGA does have the explosive offense that could unsettle Bama. Florida has some things going for them that make it possible for the Gators to not beat themselves.

For now, beat FSU. At night, dream the sweet dream. At work while sitting at the desk, daydream the sweet daydream. Go Gators!

 

[DRU2012]

Well guys to me the dream scenario for me is, We beat FSU, USC beats the irish, and Georgia beats Alabama, we get them in the national championship and get revenge and get number four. I know alot of stuff has to happen but it would be nice. Thoughts?

Yeah, I think all Gators who have thought that far ahead now see THAT as the ideal "dream scenario", as you put it a-5: A sort of redeem-ourselves-a-la-1996, when our only loss was that close one late (both "late' in the season AND "late" in the game) against FSU, who we then beat in January for our very first National Championship. THIS time we'll have to BEAT the 'Noles to even have a shot at ANY of it, obviously--and with all the other things clouding the issue I just find it hard to do anything but, having noted it, just moving on to narrow my focus onto the game right in front of us.
When I mention "all the other things...", remember, there is ALSO the jealousy, hostility and power in the hands of the West Coast-voters to deny the SEC, deny most specifically an (according-to-their-hype) "undeserving Gator squad", or anyone ELSE from the SEC, an all-SEC "Plus One" Championship Game for the 2nd year-in-a-row, should it come to that, simply by doing something similar to what they did a few years back to deny Tebow a 2nd Heisman: THIS time, enough of them leaving Florida off their "Top 10"-Ballots entirely, ie. not even putting 'em at "#10", would unfairly insure that we then WOULDN'T have enough points from the "HUMAN Polls" to take the #2 spot in the final pre-game rankings--something the "math" says that, with the other Polls, including the Computer ones (who have ALWAYS "loved" the Gators and their record against "the Top 10" and "the NCAA's Most Difficult Schedule"), we WOULD "almost certainly" have even if they all put us at the BOTTOM of the "Top 10"-Ballots, at #10, ie. giving us the lowest but still SOME score (ie. "1 point for each #10", "2 pts. for ea. #9, 3pts. for ea. #8, etc. up to "10 pts. for ea. #1")--therefore artificially depressing Florida's score, manipulating the outcome to insure that (I can just hear them) "NO two SEC teams, least of all the Florida GATORS, will play for the National Championship THIS season, thank you very much!!!"
(Btw--if this were ANY site but ours, I wouldn't even SAY any of this out loud, least of all break it down in detail, unless and until it actually HAPPENED, after-the-fact, 'cause I wouldn't want to help spread the idea, or to explain it to some thick-headed HATER in any way! I mean, if it came to that, we 'd have to hope that, presented with their Ballots, enough of 'em would just put us at the bottom, #10, worth ONE point, rather than leave us off there entirely...)

 

[Leakfan12]

I hope this happens, I'm still pissed at that game (mostly at the refs). Man, I like another shot at UGA.

 

[InkedAdrenaline]

I hope this happens, I'm still pissed at that game (mostly at the refs). Man, I like another shot at UGA.

Don't be pissed at refs, be pissed at our butter fingers and 6 turnovers

 

[Escambia94]

Yep. The truth hurts. Sure, the refs sucked, but butterfinger receivers, turnstile blockers, and undisciplined play all around were within the Gators' span of control. Expect more of the same this weekend. The Gators let the Dawgs get in their heads before the game, and it threw them off. The Noles will do the same.

Don't be pissed at refs, be pissed at our butter fingers and 6 turnovers

 

[DRU2012]

Honestly, I find it hard enough not to catch myself dwelling on this again WITHOUT y'all's help...Anyway can we put this off again for now, at least until it really IS the only thing standing between us and a shot at "The National Championship", ie. AFTER this little game we've got coming up on Saturday?

 

[InkedAdrenaline]

Honestly, I find it hard enough not to catch myself dwelling on this again WITHOUT y'all's help...Anyway can we put this off again for now, at least until it really IS the only thing standing between us and a shot at "The National Championship", ie. AFTER this little game we've got coming up on Saturday?

LOL

 

[DRU2012]

*Are "Offensive Rankings" Deceiving? Something to think about...(especially interested to read Escambia94, on this):
Meanwhile: I'm watching this Longhorns-vs-Horned Frogs game a mile or so from where I'm sitting, over there in Darrel Royal Memorial Stadium, and it strikes me that maybe there is something wrong with the way they calculate relative offensive ratings...I mean, I'm guessing that the Texas offense is rated somewhere in the 30's--not great but seemingly a whole lot better (both in ranking and in the impression they give out there) than our Gator-"O", at least at 1st consideration, right?
But think about it a moment: You watch this Texas offense a quarter or so against a pretty good team, one that they should beat here at their own place though, and you see a fairly familiar pattern from this squad: at first going right thru' the TCU defense with a nice balance of 6-to-12-yard runs and 15+-yard-passes down well into their side-of-the-field, then throw deep--sometimes the receiver well open and underthrown, another into double coverage, etc., and that is the pattern I'm talking about: one-third of these drives ending incomplete and stalled at the extreme range of the FG-kicker with 4th and long--punt, OR risk turning over field pos. at least 1/2 the time; 1/3 intercepted when Ashe underthrows it; 1/3 complete and MAYBE settles for 3 or (50/50) maybe takes it in for 6; or maybe finds ANOTHER way not to score at all. Net result so far here: 4 drives, plenty of yardage production, total=3 pts. (Similar yardage from TCU has produced 14 pts).
Now, measure that against the poor-looking, even MORE poorly-ranked Gator offense, which actually can do everything that this Texas offense can do (we've SEEN it--I distinctly remember us hitting on each KIND of long gain, even TDs, at various times throughout this season), with penalties or dropped passes killing us every time. It ALSO at times seems that we wouldn't score any offense-points at ALL if not for Sturges and the kicking game.
And yet: we DO often run the ball effectively, especially as the game goes on: we appear to get stronger, while opponents all appear to naturally wear down, we DO tend to get SOME points (thanks to Sturges), and (except for the one loss against Georgia) we DON'T give the ball away--LEAST of all in our own end (and if we do, our tough "D" tends to bare down and snap shut when they MUST).
Texas is racking up the kind of yards that SHOULD manage enough points to win it, but they are ALSO making the kinds of consistent Big Mistakes that have gotten them beat, and beat badly, a couple of times already this season--and may well get 'em beat here tonight. Whether they DO pull it out somehow or not (they are clearly still close enough at-the-half--but it "feels" like they're gonna get beat), their overall stats will keep them in that "slightly above mediocre" range either way, but WOULD YOU REALLY PREFER THIS OFFENSE TO OURS?
I'm NOT talking about "future growth" or "upside potential": I mean just this season, here and now. OUR offense doesn't WIN games for us yet by ANY means, but it doesn't LOSE them, EITHER--and that IS one more reason why WE are 10-and-1 and #4, while a team like TEXAS may in fact be over-rated at #16.

(PS--The announcers are saying that "Texas MUST win this game to keep open their chance at a BCS game...", and I'm asking, "How in HELL can THEY, with multiple BAD losses in a favorably-scheduled season, and still have a shot at a BCS Game, while at 10-1 against the NCAA's "Toughest Schedule in the Nation", WE can only make it with a win over FSU?!!"
I know it has to do with tying for the lead in their "Big-compared-to-WHAT? 12" Division, but it's REALLY almost as lamely unfair as the leader of the "Miniscule East" still having a direct-road to the Orange Bowl...The BCS Bowls are marginalizing THEMSELVES!
PPS--I expect OUR team to show up with more urgency and determined enthusiasm than this Longhorn team did here tonight...I mean, they've had a "go through the motions/we'll win 'cause we're BETTER" attitude since this one started, and they've only gotten MORE lackadaisical as the game has worn on: This TCU team is showing how it's done: They came in here on-the-road, a BIG underdog, and outplayed Texas in every phase of the game. We're a team closer in talent with FSU, obviously, than TCU/Texas: Give US a 14 pt lead in the 4th qrtr. and I like our chances. Here's hoping that the 'Noles players are as over-confident as their fans!)

 

[Escambia94]

• Texas can still land in a BCS bowl by beating K-State and by getting help. Oklahoma still has Ok State and TCU.
• What Texas showed us yesterday is that the Boise State offense that lit up the world just a couple years ago is not as magical as Florida or Texas had hoped. It's not just about the Xs and Os, but the Jimmys and Joes. Neither Texas nor Florida as elite teams with blue chip players have the right Jimmys and Joes to run a blue collar offense. Neither will make it in into the big dance or survive a dream scenario without the blue collar work ethic that needs to come with it.
• Texas' offense ranks higher than Florida's because they do throw vertically, unlike Florida. Then again, they also have a crappy turnover ratio. Against FSU, the Gators need risk that turnover margin with a carefully calculated gamble and a *gasp* forward pass, e.g. a pass that travels more than four yards beyond the line of scrimmage. The FSU defense is too fast for those screen passes behind the LOS to work consistently. The Gators need to extend the screen pass into a wheel pattern to the TE/RB/Z-receiver, flare out to the RB, or flag route to the Z-receiver. They can do this all game long with high percentage passes that have minimal risk of turnover, and it would only require minimum tweaking to the plays already being used.

None of these really matter for the Gators' next two games, because after 11 games we already know who the Gators are on offense--#105 in the nation. It's sad, but they are who we think they are. I do not imagine Coach Pease is going to read my post or the posts from any other armchair QB and say "Wow, I can make a slight tweak to the existing offense and get better results!" I do not kid myself and imagine that Coach Pease has been holding back pages 2-200 of the play book just to unleash havoc on FSU. The Gators will start off the game looking as they have against Louisiana, Jacksonville State, and Mizzou. Whether or not they end up looking like they did against LSU, SC, and aTm remains to be seen, because we have not seen those Gators in over a month. As long as we don't see the team that faced UGA, the Gators will win. As long as that Georgia game was an anomaly, the Gators will probably do well against their bowl opponent, whomever that may be.

 

[DRU2012]

Escambia94, First, thanks for making the important connections between UT and UF (ie. specific pedigrees of OC's, and general parallels between the two programs for some years--even BEFORE their "Head-Coach-in-Waiting" bailed to become our "Head Coach-For-REAL") that my comments above were predicated upon, since I (somewhat hopefully) assumed most members' insight, and elected not to take more time and space there elaborating on them.
Beyond that, I'd have to say that it isn't so much that Coach Pease has been "holding back the playbook", OR that he's checking out the thoughts and reflections of "those brilliant tacticians over at Gator Envy", but that he HAS had some things available that either haven't had (from his POV, given the various circumstances) the opportunity OR the healthy personnel to use yet, or that he HAS called and even seen "work" but for different reasons (penalties, drops, etc.) do NOT now appear in either stats or highlights as "plays converted for yardage and/or touchdowns". Anyway, the idea here is that there ARE plays available that could somewhat "balance the offense", and there seems little reason to "leave them in the playbook" unused now, if there's a place in the game plan and an opportunity to run them.
You're right in what you say about "the Jimmys and Joes" though, E-, and there are differences between ourselves and the Longhorns here too: Some of our lack has been health-related, and we're getting some of those back for this Saturday. In other instances there are still question marks even here at the end-of-season: There is SOME (albeit slim) hope at WR, for eg., that between an experienced "disappointment" here and/or a young not-yet-having-stepped-up there, SOMEONE could come thru' NOW...We already have good TE's, some talented "mostly consistent performers" who are available, and HINES (who we need to use more--all OVER the field) now--enough with these possibilities, these "others" that the "slight tweak" sounds neither a "long shot" nor a "far-fetched" addition to a game plan with so much riding upon it.
There is no point in "saving" ANYTHING for later, for any prospective "subsequent post-schedule game", either--and NOT just because so much DOES depend on this one: From what is now being more and more openly acknowledged regarding what the voters are "likely to do to the Gators REGARDLESS of what they do this weekend", we may well be in for a royal SHAFT no matter WHAT we accomplish against FSU. As I warned some days back, and is gathering momentum as a pre-accepted "too bad/ain't fair but that won't matter" self-fulfilling prophecy, word is that even with a convincing Gator win on-the-road over the Seminoles tomorrow, a Notre Dame loss to USC will trigger the Gators being voted DOWN a spot and the Oregon Ducks placed ABOVE them in the standings (when they beat a ranked-Oregon St. team--that will be the excuse that ALL west-coast-voters and ENOUGH mid-west and NE-voters will need to manipulate their ballots, in the extreme fashion I outlined in an earlier comment, in order to manage this travesty). Such is the extreme, widespread and deep-seated aim among enough such people to block another all-SEC "Plus One" Game, never mind any thought of "what's right and fair"--"Tide/Gators" MIGHT be accepted, by this way-of-thinking, but another "replay" (this time in the form of UGA/UF) is "completely unacceptable".
Again, their own certainty (acknowledged both in the fact of SEC-dominance of the Top 10 already, AND their own anonymous poll-findings, that every ONE of these they themselves believe would beat their own current #1, Notre Dame) that an "ALL-SEC Championship" is already covertly accepted among them as the true "fair and proper" decider of who is this season's best college team is COMPLETELY BESIDE THE POINT: If necessary they will unfairly stack the deck against whomever they must in order to avoid that game being played, and they will feel completely self-righteous and justified in the duplicitous outcome...The "more attractive-to-the-larger-TV-audience"-match-up will thereby be presented (Oh, and of COURSE their envy, jealousy and hatred of the SEC, its continued superiority in every aspect and phase of the game, both during the season and in preparation for next, will have had NOTHING to do with it!).

 

[Escambia94]

I have been watching the LSU-Arkansas game as well as the Texas-TCU and aTm-Alabama game for some concepts that I hope to see in the Florida-FSU game.

1. Fast defenses in the nickel formation can be beat with slants, quick slants, and wheel routes. Coach Pease, please remember that when FSU starts penetrating too quickly for the screen pass or the Wildcat.
2. Fast defenses can be thrown at down the middle if and only if the QB is allowed to roll out--in a naked bootleg or in a moving pocket. Coach Pease, please take note of this. FSU is going to gun for Driskel, and "sweep the leg" if they can. Protect him by moving the pocket. If he can roll out, please let him roll out. If he can get to the right hash, he may get a good look at a receiver running a post or a cross through the middle of the field as the nickel backs are flushing to the strong side.
3. FSU fans are the most annoying ones on earth right now. Coach Muschamp, please shut these guys up.

 

[DRU2012]

Couldn't put it better myself, E-...OR MORE FORCEFULLY! Gotta hope we can turn their aggressiveness back on them tactically, as we both have discussed, 'cause I've a feeling we won't be getting the calls there in "Tee-Hee" (and if they HURT JD, we'll be running up the score on them for the next 10 YEARS, at LEAST, I SWEAR!).