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Gator Bites, Week 9: NR Florida Gators Bye Week

Escambia94

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The Florida Gators have fallen out of the polls for the first time since 2011, and there is little hope of getting back into the polls. I would be surprised if the Gators were invited to play a blind high school team in a charity "bowl game". For your perusal, I present a Baylor forum from 2005 with comments that will sound eerily familiar to Gator fans: http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=91206

Basically this Brent Pease guy sucks as an OC and has only been good when he inherited Kellen Moore.
 

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I just don't understand the inactivity, the seeming paralysis at the top...The WORLD saw our team imploding on the sidelines, even the defensive guys arguing and pointing at each other over there--at the end of another game where they at least, again for the most part played their hearts out--albeit with individuals and various parts NOT getting it done, and/or otherwise f-ing-up at times,kept handing the offense opportunities (but NOT taking it in themselves, either not running it in when they got it--the only way we WERE gonna score--or missing fat pic-six op'ties entirely, a la 2012). Of course, what all those folks COULDN'T miss was the pathetic state of our non-offense (now rated at THE VERY BOTTOM of the 120 or so colleges and university programs in the soon-to-be-defunct BCS-system). Hard as it is to grasp how they can even consider keeping the guy officially overseeing this sad, inept and ineffective mess, I cannot for the life of me understand how or WHY our Head Coach, given his professed priorities and philosophy, could go one day longer without axing him AND completely reorganizing a staff who has presided over that shocking display there at the end, his once-a-team first breaking into little free-lancing out-for-themselves groups ON the field, then at each others' throats over near the bench as time wound down. Without drastic action very soon, there'll BE nothing left of whatever he was supposedly so "close to" before the stress of battle and losses triggered the start of what is clearly the ongoing collapse of a once proud program.
With quick, drastic action I think the situation is retrievable, the road back hard and requiring a certain amount of ruthless cutting--but it must come soon...Otherwise, it WILL mean not only Muschamp's job, ultimately, but perhaps YEARS, several seasons in order for this program to recover and fully rebuild. Yes, it is that serious a crisis now.
 

miltongator

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And this from John Reaves

John Reaves, October 21, 2013, 0 Comments,

It isn’t easy to write this today. I was thinking of bringing in a guest columnist such as Carlos Alvarez or Steve Tannen. Steve lives in Gainesville now and just underwent back surgery. He is getting better and rode his bike 100 miles yesterday. I need some back surgery myself.

It looks like the Gators could use some surgery. It has been along time since we were not competitive and that’s the only way I can describe what happened yesterday in Columbia, Missouri. We were in trouble from the first play and it only got worse from there.

From the first drive when Missouri needed only two plays to score until the fourth quarter, they toyed with us. The final score was 36-17, but really, they did whatever they wanted whenever they wanted to do it.

Surely they don’t have better players than we do, do they? After all, our recruiting classes have been rated consistently in the top ten in the nation – and often the top five – the last 10 years.

I remember when I coached at Florida with Coach Steve Spurrier and Georgia’s recruiting class was always rated #1 in the SEC. Without fail it seems. Yet I remember Ray Goff saying before one game that he wished he had all the great players that Florida has. Coach Spurrier promptly responded, “What happened to all those great players you signed Coach Goof?”

That still makes me laugh.

The Gators seem to be heading on a downward spiral. We got worse in just one week after a bad showing in the LSU game. Offensively, we haven’t been very good at all this year, but the LSU and Missouri games were terrible. In the last two games our offensive line can’t block anyone and the defensive line can’t stop the run or get to the passer.

I know all about the injuries, but that’s why you go out and recruit new guys into the program every year so that you always have depth. We always hear that saying “next man up.” Well, what happened to the next man?

I have begun to question what’s going on with our strength and conditioning program with all the injuries that we’ve had. Is this just a fluke year or is there something going on that’s causing them? I have to ask that question because we never had injuries like that when Rich Tuten was in charge of the program back in the 1990s.

Our play calling is so predictable I can call the plays when I see the formation. If I can, so can the D Coordinator for the opposition and the defensive players. Our passing game scheme doesn’t get anybody open.

How easy is it? When the Gators have 21 personnel in or two backs, two wide receivers and a tight end (sometimes they substitute another offensive tackle for a wide receiver) we run either the counter play to the weak side or the power play to the strong side. I would say that we are probably 90-98% that tendency.

When Trey Burton lines up in shotgun at quarterback, it’s the read option 100% of the time. It’s averaging about -5 yards lately and it killed a potential touchdown at both LSU and Missouri. Come on! Do something different if you insist on putting Trey in there as the wildcat QB!

When the Gators are in 11 personnel, meaning one back, one TE and 3 WR’s, we run the short passing game. It’s very predictable and we seem to have no clue about blitz pickup. If I’m a defensive coordinator and I see the Gators in that personnel package you can bet I’m bringing the house. Until someone on the Gators shows he can pick up a blitz, I’ll do it over and over again.

We used to self-scout after three games to see if we had tendencies that were easy to read. When we found them, we tried changeups. That means we gave the same look but did something different to fool the defense. We could use that concept right now. We also could see what we were averaging on each play. That factored into our game planning and our play calling on game day.

Back to the Missouri game.

If it weren’t for a herculean effort by “King” Solomon Patton and Kelvin Taylor we would be nowhere. Solomon showed us his speed on that kickoff return. He caught six passes but only one downfield – good for 14 yards – and ran one jet sweep and that was good for 17 yards. He’s got speed that we need on the edge in the running game and we’ve got to start figuring ways to get him the ball further down the field where he’s got more space to maneuver and have a chance to go all the way for a score.

Taylor gave us a spark on that nice touchdown drive, but as soon as he scored on the 20-yard run late in the third quarter to close the score to 23-17 he only carried the ball one more time. After that, Mizzou toyed with us again and promptly marched to another TD. It’s frustrating!

Dante Fowler played hard and that’s about it on defense. Even our two corners were getting torched.

I guess a bright spot was special teams. We scored on a kickoff return by Patton, Frankie Velez made all his kicks and our new punter Johnny Townsend averaged 45.6 yards so there was at least some improvement somewhere.

So where does that leave us? We have an open date to lick our wounds and regroup. We have to come up with some answers. Hopefully Will Muschamp and his staff will come up with a plan that works.

If they need any help, I know a really good offensive mind who needs some work and who can recruit lights out. He’d be open to Florida, too. After all his wife and father-in-law are Gators!!!

John Reaves

QB7

Beat the Dogs!!!
 

Leakfan12

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Actually I believe I started the Lane Kiffin talks here on this board. I know Kiffin is a dick and was known to rub recruits the wrong way but Dan Mullen was that way (well Tebow said he was the reason he thought about not committing to the Gators). Hey if anything in 2014 if Muschamp is still on and Kiffin is hired as the OC maybe we'll see Muschamp punching Kiffin.
 

DRU2012

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And this from John Reaves

John Reaves, October 21, 2013, 0 Comments,

It isn’t easy to write this today. I was thinking of bringing in a guest columnist such as Carlos Alvarez or Steve Tannen. Steve lives in Gainesville now and just underwent back surgery. He is getting better and rode his bike 100 miles yesterday. I need some back surgery myself.

It looks like the Gators could use some surgery. It has been along time since we were not competitive and that’s the only way I can describe what happened yesterday in Columbia, Missouri. We were in trouble from the first play and it only got worse from there.

From the first drive when Missouri needed only two plays to score until the fourth quarter, they toyed with us. The final score was 36-17, but really, they did whatever they wanted whenever they wanted to do it.

Surely they don’t have better players than we do, do they? After all, our recruiting classes have been rated consistently in the top ten in the nation – and often the top five – the last 10 years.

I remember when I coached at Florida with Coach Steve Spurrier and Georgia’s recruiting class was always rated #1 in the SEC. Without fail it seems. Yet I remember Ray Goff saying before one game that he wished he had all the great players that Florida has. Coach Spurrier promptly responded, “What happened to all those great players you signed Coach Goof?”

That still makes me laugh.

The Gators seem to be heading on a downward spiral. We got worse in just one week after a bad showing in the LSU game. Offensively, we haven’t been very good at all this year, but the LSU and Missouri games were terrible. In the last two games our offensive line can’t block anyone and the defensive line can’t stop the run or get to the passer.

I know all about the injuries, but that’s why you go out and recruit new guys into the program every year so that you always have depth. We always hear that saying “next man up.” Well, what happened to the next man?

I have begun to question what’s going on with our strength and conditioning program with all the injuries that we’ve had. Is this just a fluke year or is there something going on that’s causing them? I have to ask that question because we never had injuries like that when Rich Tuten was in charge of the program back in the 1990s.

Our play calling is so predictable I can call the plays when I see the formation. If I can, so can the D Coordinator for the opposition and the defensive players. Our passing game scheme doesn’t get anybody open.

How easy is it? When the Gators have 21 personnel in or two backs, two wide receivers and a tight end (sometimes they substitute another offensive tackle for a wide receiver) we run either the counter play to the weak side or the power play to the strong side. I would say that we are probably 90-98% that tendency.

When Trey Burton lines up in shotgun at quarterback, it’s the read option 100% of the time. It’s averaging about -5 yards lately and it killed a potential touchdown at both LSU and Missouri. Come on! Do something different if you insist on putting Trey in there as the wildcat QB!

When the Gators are in 11 personnel, meaning one back, one TE and 3 WR’s, we run the short passing game. It’s very predictable and we seem to have no clue about blitz pickup. If I’m a defensive coordinator and I see the Gators in that personnel package you can bet I’m bringing the house. Until someone on the Gators shows he can pick up a blitz, I’ll do it over and over again.

We used to self-scout after three games to see if we had tendencies that were easy to read. When we found them, we tried changeups. That means we gave the same look but did something different to fool the defense. We could use that concept right now. We also could see what we were averaging on each play. That factored into our game planning and our play calling on game day.

Back to the Missouri game.

If it weren’t for a herculean effort by “King” Solomon Patton and Kelvin Taylor we would be nowhere. Solomon showed us his speed on that kickoff return. He caught six passes but only one downfield – good for 14 yards – and ran one jet sweep and that was good for 17 yards. He’s got speed that we need on the edge in the running game and we’ve got to start figuring ways to get him the ball further down the field where he’s got more space to maneuver and have a chance to go all the way for a score.

Taylor gave us a spark on that nice touchdown drive, but as soon as he scored on the 20-yard run late in the third quarter to close the score to 23-17 he only carried the ball one more time. After that, Mizzou toyed with us again and promptly marched to another TD. It’s frustrating!

Dante Fowler played hard and that’s about it on defense. Even our two corners were getting torched.

I guess a bright spot was special teams. We scored on a kickoff return by Patton, Frankie Velez made all his kicks and our new punter Johnny Townsend averaged 45.6 yards so there was at least some improvement somewhere.

So where does that leave us? We have an open date to lick our wounds and regroup. We have to come up with some answers. Hopefully Will Muschamp and his staff will come up with a plan that works.

If they need any help, I know a really good offensive mind who needs some work and who can recruit lights out. He’d be open to Florida, too. After all his wife and father-in-law are Gators!!!

John Reaves

QB7

Beat the Dogs!!!
OUCH! But I "registered my "like" on this one, 'cause I know JR cares--and he sure as HELL knows whereof he speaks! There it all is, folks. He is too much the gentleman AND understanding of the subtle difficulties of being a coach in the fishbowl of public attention nowadays to just abandon and dismiss the Coach, to throw him under the bus, but he is pretty blunt in expressing his well-founded (ALL our "well-founded") impatience--and the "what should be done" part ain't exactly ignored here, either--JR just goes for the "hopeful" conclusion at the end...I don't have to be "understanding" or diplomatic, though, and I don't believe he'd disagree here if our Head Coach FAILS to live up to that hope: "You are the guy-in-charge: Get it together, or get out, Will!!!"
 

Escambia94

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Wake up, Gator Nation! The Mighty Frickin' Gators are guaranteed not to lose today.
 

DRU2012

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Watching the Wake-Miami game. Wake is using ultra-wide O-line splits to great effect......Hmmmmmmmmm.
Obvious how WE coulda won that game ourselves (and possibly every OTHER game so far this year) with just a change in SCHEME (ie. philosophic approach with accompanying practical expression onfield, properly executed), even WITH all the injuries etc--our D kept uys well in every one DESPITE the bankruptcy of strategy and tactics, failure in addition to even use the players we DID have available to us as often (if at all, for eg. as in Taylor's case) or properly when they WERE in there--in fact, it's all part of a list of failings so long and filled with deatils large and small as to be too disappointingly frustrating and obvious as to even bother getting into in any6 detail again at this point, at least for me. Glad to see the over-rated, blusteringly arrogant and once more coddled and saved by NCAA nepotism "da EEEWWW" beaten (their fans now thoroughly bummed) by a "middle-talent, mediocre mid-major" team--but that is cold comfort, in the final analysis: Our concerns must be MUCH more focused on what's gone wrong and can be changed to make us that much better as quickly as possible, than on seeing the obnoxious fans of our downstate "not-worthy-of-being-our" rival.
So, once more, this time in answer to Mike Bianchi's column concerning his sudden realization that our Head Coach just may be "on the hotseat" and "coaching for his job" from here on out and "certainly by NEXT season" without drastic change/improvement on offense-"despite his great work and talent" as a "defensive mastermind"...here is the version of my reply/comment that was disallowed in any but the most truncated (and thus necessarily shallow) form the Sun-Sentinel allows us:

You know, I like and admire our Head Coach as a DEFENSIVE "mastermind"; I'm just less and less certain the gathering impatience, even disgust, is "unfortunate", or undeserved--NOT when he makes contradictory statements and shows other signs of indecisiveness on this score, noting for example that performance against Mizzou as inept, yet giving Pease a "vote of confidence" in its aftermath. The combination of continued collapse that has spread not only throughout the offense, but has begun to show throughout the rest of the team in greater sloppiness and selfishness, continues to spread with all the rest beyond that "No Fun Offense". It's clear that Muschamp has trouble with just these kinds of decisions: it begins to appear that he wouldn't have fired Weis either--we only got rid of the inept fat man because HE chose to jump for job offered him by Kansas. Pease seems even MORE out of his depth here as a "yes man" to Muschamp's ideas about "reliable, pro-set, ball-control"-offense...Of course, as he himself implied and has long since aptly demonstrated, our Head Coach has no grasp of or feel for offensive play, tactics OR strategy, whatsoever--so this indecision and willingness to stay with the guy who mouths his boss's idea of "the right words", in the face of what to everyone else is clearly ABJECT FAILURE, has to be assessed as beyond "unacceptable".

"Hey Will, it's like THIS: Either HE goes, or you BOTH do--and very soon, if you continue this same, absurdly stubborn effort to ignore reality."

(Btw--just found out UM pulled out a game they had all-but-lost with seconds left when I went out earlier, but somehow won after all...My reaction below: Sorry, folks.)
 

Escambia94

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Guys, quit reminding me of how much our Gators could have won against Miami. I am trying to keep my blood pressure down in the bye week.
 

DRU2012

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DAMN IT ALL TO HELL!!! I had to leave to go get someone and Miami was losing with less than a minute left--thought they HAD...Now I find out upon my return home that they came back to WIN that game! Shit on a STICK--worst case scenario for those @$$holes! Can't stand this season...I mean, the same day that I am forced to root for PU against "The Poison Nuts"? (Anyway BOTH of these pos-programs can lose to each other?!! How 'bout a 0-0 tie, with lots of injuries...Um, great time for "an act-of-God", know what I'm sayin'? Yeah, by now I am one bitter ol' cus...)
 

Escambia94

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How the hell can Furman hang 16 points on LSU in the first half? It took us all game to score 6!
 

DRU2012

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Unfortunately it works better for us if each team that beats us keeps winning.
Exactly--which leaves me torn on the one hand at the way the SEC "eats its own" this year, and knowing we 're sinking further still as the no-doubt over-rated teams we lost to 'cause we failed to score while our D held THEM to under-20 themselves now proceed to lose to somewhat less-than-impressive squads.
 

DRU2012

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How the hell can Furman hang 16 points on LSU in the first half? It took us all game to score 6!
Ain't it a kick-in-the-head, man?!! I mean, how hard is this to grasp??? ("I'm asking YOU, 'Chomp'!") I'd be wonderin' what SS makes of all this, WOULD have made of it, at least, in the old days--but he's busy knockin' off a previously undefeated suddden "powerhouse" in Mizzou when their kicker boinks a FG off the upright in double overtime--Since when did "the ol' ball coach" count on HIS kicker, ANY kicker win a game for him? The guy who coached our old "hang a half-a-hunnert on 'em" offense wouldn't have LEFT it to kickers in that situation to begin with: Dumb or not (and sometimes it DID seem pretty lame), he'd have aired it out on a fake or something to try'n'put that one away in overtime to begin with!
 

miltongator

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Oh to return to those thrilling days of yesteryear when the "Fun and Gun" ruled the SEC. Now it's the "Run and Punt".
 

Escambia94

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Oh to return to those thrilling days of yesteryear when the "Fun and Gun" ruled the SEC. Now it's the "Run and Punt".

The Fun N' Gun days from 1990-2001 were great, as were the Urban Attack days from 2006-2008 (I do not count 2005 or 2009). When you read what sports writers say about Brent Pease's offense, they actually do find his formations interesting. It is the execution that is lacking. As the OC, it is his job to get the players to execute those interesting formations. In his defense, his skill players cannot execute the interesting formations without a better offensive line. To make matters worse, we really have no marquee offensive players to work with other than Kelvin Taylor. No matter how good Solomon Patton is for us, he cannot beat any other SEC defender in one-on-one action--he must be schemed into success. Trey Burton is versatile at many positions, but is not good enough at one position to beat out any defender one-on-one without a good scheme. When we play UGA, USC, and FSU, they all know now to key in on just one marquee player and then attack our scheme. Our scheme is predicated on a bully offensive line creating space for our small or slow players. Once a defense realizes that our bully offensive line is depleted by injury, all they have to do is bully them around and our entire offense falls apart.

With the players we have, we really have to get creative on offense to create time for Murphy to throw to our only two playmakers, and for Taylor to get to the second level. If the Gator coaches were smart, they would have watched the USCe-Mizzou game and seen how to do this.
 

Escambia94

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FACT: *UF's most productive offense over the past four years was Steve Addazio's 2010 group, which finished the season ranked 82nd in the nation in total offense.
  • 2013, week 8: #109 (Pease)
  • 2012: #103 (Pease)
  • 2011: #105 (Weis)
  • 2010: #82 (Addazio)
  • 2009: #6 (Addazio)
  • 2008: #15 (Mullen)
  • 2007: #14 (Mullen)
  • 2006: #38 (Mullen)
  • 2005: #61 (Mullen)
  • 2004: #22 (Fedora)
  • 2003: #46 (Zaunbrecher)
  • 2002: #25 (Zaunbrecher)
  • 2001: #2 (Spurrier)
The fact that Addazio coached the #6 offense and that it was statistically higher than Mullen's only lends credence to my assertion that Urban Meyer was really the offensive coordinator, but that he relinquished control on game day to a committee comprised of all the offensive position coaches. The Urban Attack averaged a ranking of #32 under Mullen, #44 under Addazio, or #38 for the entire Meyer era. The offense averaged a #26 ranking in their championship years, or #18 if you throw out their first and last year. I do not have all of Spurrier's rankings, but I would imagine that they are all top-5 in most years or top-20 in the "bad" years.
 

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