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Gators in the NFL Draft 2013

Escambia94

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Here are the Gators to watch for in the NFL Draft this year with my prediction on the round. Only Floyd and Elam have been getting attention from the scouts. Gilly and Reed are considered raw talents that could fit particular systems in the NFL. The rest will need to look very good in the NFL Combine, because they lack film or statistics that impress the scouts.
  • DT Shariff Floyd - 1st round
  • S Matt Elam - 2nd round
  • RB Mike Gillisee - 3rd round
  • TE Jordan Reed - 3rd round
  • ILB Jon Bostic - 5th round
  • OLB Lerentee McCray - 6th round
  • S Josh Evans - 5th round
  • OT Xavier Nixon - 5th round
  • NT/DT Omar Hunter - 7th round
  • OLB Jelani Jenkins - 7th round
  • C/G Sam Robey - undrafted
  • WR Frankie Hammonds - undrafted
  • WR/RB Omarius Hines - undrafted
  • K Caleb Sturgis - undrafted
  • G James Wilson - undrafted
What does everyone else think?
 

Leakfan12

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Agreed though like to see Elam climb to the first round. I saw that NFL.com had Floyd ahead of that guy from Utah who might go in the top five to top ten.
 

DRU2012

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Maybe I'm wrong, and this draft will show ME that these "experts" who rate players and project their likely value--not only as it pertains to their place in the draft but to their eventual level of talent and success in the League--are the ones who've got it right regarding who SHOULD be first recruited, then later drafted when, why and by whom, BUT: It is MY prediction (and personal expectation, btw) that this may well be the year that players' relative statuses and eventual levels-of-success and performance will prove how those "paid prognosticators"' blindness, not to mention bias-produced and self-delusionally inaccurate ignorance, all help to make these drafts so filled with disappointments, mistakes, and outright "non-arrivals". Meanwhile, when we subsequently look back, unheralded lower-round "nobodies" so often end up the major stars at most positions that one wonders if maybe putting the names of everyone available up on that "big board", then throwing darts at it wearing a blindfold, and picking players in THAT order, wouldn't be a more promising approach. I'd wager better results for most teams that way than what they get in most years courtesy of pooling information from "reputation", "experts", and "ratings services" gathered by each team's "braintrust" in their respective "War Rooms" leading up to and ON the day of the draft.
 

Escambia94

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I would also love to see Elam's stock go up. He can make the case in the Combine. Floyd has already been impressing and could skyrocket well above his pre-announcement stock. Gilly can make the case if he does well in the Combine, but he will not go above round 2. Oddly enough I have heard that Sturgis might skyrocket and actually get drafted as a kicker.

I really do not connect high school ratings with NFL Draft rating. They are not the same thing. High school ratings actually rate the high school player and his talent, irrespective of where he is going to college. NFL Draft ratings rate potential to be hired onto a particular team, which can also be affected by the type of team they have, their Draft pick number, the salary cap, etc. In order for the ratings to be compatible, there needs to be a college rating system that rates college players on talent, irrespective of whether or not the player is going into the NFL. The Heisman Trophy, All-American awards, and other awards rank college athletes on college talent, but we do not get a rating for anyone that does not win these awards.
 

DRU2012

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Good point about the difference between rating highschool kids for recruitment, and college seniors (AND eligible juniors who declare) for the pro-draft: I only meant that it is often the same folks pouring over the data and publicly projecting their value and ultimate likely "landing places", based on the conclusions they reach after doing so. As for truly connecting the various awards and achievements of their college careers with the many (if elusive) skills and talents demonstrated weekly in on-field play, and boiling it all down in some numerical fashion to a ratings-system that might allow coaches and teams to more clearly and accurately, or at least more easily, evaluate the right guy for which position on a particular team, well, I doubt I'd trust such a "system" even if it came to exist. This all strikes me as more "art" than "science" (all the MORE so between college and the Pros--seemingly counter-intuitive with more time, empirical performance-based data, and maturity, but true, nonetheless). Even failing to acknowledge that is a problem, one that can and HAS resulted in the many annual "misjudgements" that in turn so often make "everybody's All American" a bust, while "that 6th-round guy nobody's heard of" ends up the dozen-year All-Pro that comes to be identified with a particular team, and the "class of the league", at a given position.
Not that Elam should be off ANYONE'S radar...I think we ALL suspect that anyone who gets him late in the 2nd round or after will be getting a bargain. On the other hand regarding Sturgis, few kickers are considered in the draft, let alone in the higher rounds--but, rare as it has been, whenever a FG-kicker's been successful enough to even enter the discussion, they've generally turned out to be worth it, ultimately (Btw, even more rare has been consideration of a given PUNTER--but on the one occasion that occurs to me when it's happened, THAT kicker, Ray Guy, taken IN THE FIRST ROUND by the Raiders back in the 70s, is STILL mentioned both for the rarity itself AND how well it turned out for that team).
Gilly is a tougher call all around--both in general predicting success at RB in the League, and in projecting how high he will go, SHOULD go, and/or to whom. Naturally, WE tend to feel he has the heart AND the physical skills to make it--but how everything about him and his career (unfortunately for him none of which he was allowed to publicly develop or display until his senior year) "positions" him for the draft (especially among the vast majority of non-Gator-aware pro-coaches who haven't followed us OR him that closely) is problematic at best...Remember, The Pro Draft is more like a high stakes poker game than anything else: The idea is NOT just to get the best players you can at "positions of need", but to get them at the lowest level you can get away with drafting them at and still GET them. In this case probably even more than all the others, performance at the Combine will likely play a huge role (ie. largest of the potential Gator draftees) in his ultimate rating and where he in fact lands on Draft Day.
 

Escambia94

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Talent evaluation is definitely an art. The key thing to remember is that high school football, college football, and NFL football are all different sports despite how similar they look. Talent evaluation for one style of football does not translate well to another. Evaluating high school to college is easier because both are amateur sports where the athletes also go to school and are limited in number of practices, training, training facilities, etc. That leap from amateur to professional is very different.

A good example is the 1995 Nebraska Cornhuskers. That team is considered one of the greatest college football teams in history, but it only yielded exactly two NFL stars--Ahman Green (Green Bay's leading rusher) and Grant Wistrom.

Let's continue comparing to the 1995 Huskers, just for perspective sake. I looked up that roster and found that just an alarming number of players on that team wound up in trouble with the law while in college or in the NFL. Let's look at how those players were rated out of high school. Many of these players were 4 and 5 star players, or were otherwise highly rated as Parade All Americans or all-state. (It is hard to track down all the star ratings from 20 years ago.) Those ratings translated well from high school to college as many of those players were all Big 8 or All American. They actually had the most All Americans in those years (3 from 1993, 6 from 1994, and 4 from 1995), but only two of them panned out in the NFL.
 

Leakfan12

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Also add the 2006 Florida Gators to that list, five first rounders on that team only Harvin and Tebow made headway for their teams. Havrey and Moss didn't play 2012. Nelson with the Bengals. Just because you good in college doesn't mean the same in the pros.
 

DRU2012

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Really strong points, E- and Lf...and let's note something else here too: That Nebraska team, and the way their coach bent-over-backwards to shelter and above all protect his star players, no matter what kind of sh*t they got into, all so that (for his OWN good, his ego and reputation so entangled with "his team's" performance and final rankings--despite claims that it was for the good of the young man and his "chances at a life and career"), when one DOES now look back at what happened to these individuals subsequent to their time at Nebraska, it is clearly one of the most extreme demonstrations of it having the opposite effect. Not only does it do at least as much damage to the college program in question as might have been done by sitting them down (quite possibly MORE damage, as Meyer's often similar approach ultimately came to have in Gainesville), but in the long run such individuals' short-if-ANY pro-careers and the sad, inglorious years (many including repeated failure, and even jail terms) that in so many cases followed, aptly demonstrate the old idea that discipline, the learning of life's lessons in a team sport on AND off the playing field, the earlier the better, might have some validity after all. It couldn't have done much WORSE a job.
 

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