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Has anyone thought about or burnt Urban Meyer stuff?
- Thread starter Leakfan12
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What was the Mich.-prospect's particular reason for doing this?
As for me, I don't have any "Urban Meyer"-themed paraphenalia or memorabelia to "burn"--but if I did, I'd consign it to the trash, at least...Now, if we were to be playing them sometime in the future, I could see folks participating in some kind of drive to find and eventually burn such remaining materials, in order to assert Gator control over any kind of perceived "mojo" Meyer might seek to work over a school and program he willingly and underhandedly lied to and betrayed (not to mention thousands of fans who once believed his now-seen-to-be-empty promises and claims). Other than that specific (fun-sounding) "Rally"-scenario, I'm not sure he is any longer important enough to us to warrant that kind of attention--I believe we are better off now, and moving on quite nicely, thank you, DESPITE the wreck he left of our program.
No. I knew he was temporary, although I was fooled into thinking he would stay just a few more years.
It's that "fooled"-part that we all agree on--and that you have taken a bit more in stride than some of us (myself included), E-. As noted, I am "moving on", in my own way. Still, while I'll always give credit for the things that were accomplished during the relatively short period that we might call his "glory days" (and Tebow's--the more time passes, the more I appreciate TT's role in taking our program to new heights), the main reason it is right and proper (not to mention easier and easier) to look ahead with confidence and excitement, rather than back with bitterness, is because we are clearly better off "in the long run"--and the way we're picking up speed to get there.
I tend to focus on the positive than dwell on the negative. Historically, good coaches thrive in their second years, and Florida tends to give coaches a minimum of four years to turn things around, or they leave somehow after about a decade. This year will be Muschamp's halfway point if he is another Zook, or it will be just the beginning if he is a good coach like Graves.
Escambia94
For a guy that "focuses on the positive", you are holding back your optimism in Muschamp's case it seems, E-: As I said, my inclination to "move on" is directly proportionate to my growing sense that Coach M is "the right Gator at the right time", has now assembled a top-notch young staff that just seems to "fit right", and is bringing in a steadily growing line of talented fire-eaters to take us back where we belong--at the top of the college football "heap"...I know you were just making a simple point about staying even-handed and even-tempered--and this "he could be another Zook"-thing does keep coming up, but mostly among the most pessimistic of Gator fans, ironically enough--but that's one possibility that has long since faded far into the background for me: This guy is no "Zooker". He's fiery and a great recruiter (more of each, in fact), but he's more than a shallow "salesman" type. This is a tough-minded, smart and detail-oriented individual who has all kinds of charisma, but depends much more on honor and intellect and a personal vision of the Big Picture to collect the best people, get 'em all on the same page, and turn them loose to do what they do best: to get the details and the whole job done.
From my viewpoint, this IS "just the beginning", unless a huge spasm of impatience and stupidity seizes the "powers-that-be" at UF and they somehow bow to the most extreme idiocy among certain fans and boosters, ignore the steady accelerating improvement, and fire Foley AND Muschamp for not winning a National Championship by this or next year. That is the only way I see this NOT going the way I now see things long term: By 2014 and beyond, we will annually compete in the coming 4-team playoff for years to come.
For a guy that "focuses on the positive", you are holding back your optimism in Muschamp's case it seems, E-: As I said, my inclination to "move on" is directly proportionate to my growing sense that Coach M is "the right Gator at the right time", has now assembled a top-notch young staff that just seems to "fit right", and is bringing in a steadily growing line of talented fire-eaters to take us back where we belong--at the top of the college football "heap"...I know you were just making a simple point about staying even-handed and even-tempered--and this "he could be another Zook"-thing does keep coming up, but mostly among the most pessimistic of Gator fans, ironically enough--but that's one possibility that has long since faded far into the background for me: This guy is no "Zooker". He's fiery and a great recruiter (more of each, in fact), but he's more than a shallow "salesman" type. This is a tough-minded, smart and detail-oriented individual who has all kinds of charisma, but depends much more on honor and intellect and a personal vision of the Big Picture to collect the best people, get 'em all on the same page, and turn them loose to do what they do best: to get the details and the whole job done.
From my viewpoint, this IS "just the beginning", unless a huge spasm of impatience and stupidity seizes the "powers-that-be" at UF and they somehow bow to the most extreme idiocy among certain fans and boosters, ignore the steady accelerating improvement, and fire Foley AND Muschamp for not winning a National Championship by this or next year. That is the only way I see this NOT going the way I now see things long term: By 2014 and beyond, we will annually compete in the coming 4-team playoff for years to come.
I focus on the positive, but it is too early to tell how Muschamp will turn out. Ray Graves was here for about a decade, but could not recruit Alabama, Tennessee and Georgia in those days. Doug Dickey nearly ran the program into the ground in his decade. Charley Pell turned things around, but almost killed the program in a half decade. Galen Hall did the best he could in his half decade before nearly getting us a death penalty. Together their decade was both good and bad. Steve Spurrier had a very good decade, plus some change. Ron Zook showed no signs he would have turned things around, and he did not last a half decade. Look at the bright side--he avoided NCAA sanctions, and built up the foundation for his successor. We took Urban Meyer knowing he never stayed at one school for more than four years, so we were lucky we had him for six. Zook and Meyer together put together a decent decade. All that is building up to my point. Florida coaching goes in decade long patterns. We do not have enough data to know what to make of Will Muschamp. Right now, he could be like Pell, trying to top his mentor, Bear Bryant, which is Nick Saban for Muschamp. He is fiery and well liked, but keeps falling a step behind his mentor. Pell had to resort to desperate measures both at Clemson and Florida in order to keep up with Bear Bryant. Let us hope that Muschamp finds a way to outwit his mentor, Saban, without cheating. Let us hope he is not extremely likable, like Dickey and Zook, but not cut out for greatness. I have not seen any signs that he will be good like Graves, Spurrier, or Meyer. We shall see...
Escambia94
Really? You've "not seen any sign he will be good"? I was gonna ask how you felt intuitively, what your gut told you about him. thinking you'd at least temper your caution--but then you went ahead and answered that question, and frankly your answer surprises me (though I guess on balance it fits with everything else you've said above here).
As far as I'm concerned, the first real sign of how coherent and dedicated his vision for the Gator program and drive to achieve it really is came when he dismissed Janoris Jenkins before last season. A number of actions and statements since, all consistent in reflecting his unique blend of honor, commitment and tough pragmatism, have only served to further support and deepen my view of him: someone not at all like any previous Gator coach, the differences very much fortuitous ones that already have us turned and gathering speed in our "come back". While he is as competitive as any coach, I don't really think he sees this necessarily as a personal contest between himself and Saban in the role of "his old mentor"--except of course insofar as that Tide team is currently the National Champion, the best team in the Conference and nation, and in that sense is the coach, team and program that has to be overcome in order for HIS team and program, The Fightin' Gators, to ultimately take and hold their rightful place at the top of the college football world.
On the one hand, it is understandable that you and many others wish to "reserve judgement", wait and see, but I'm on record now as going with the middle-to-long-term belief in him and his plans for us....Which begs the question, at what point will you be convinced, E-? Is there some threshold that must be achieved before you decide? I don't think you are unrealistic about our short-term prospects, so what are your expectations for Coach Muschamp and the Gators in the seasons ahead? I do NOT expect a National Championship run this season, and only a return to the discussion , with a killer "D" and a "gathering storm" on offense, even in 2013 (we will dominate teams next season, but our youth may still cost us a crucial game or two); in other words, we'll be close next year, and then begin our true run annually in the playoffs that look to begin in 2014--that's how I see it. Will you reserve judgment until then? Would such a process and rate-of-improvement in outcome win you over, or just be satisfactory enough to continue to "wait and see"?
Really? You've "not seen any sign he will be good"? I was gonna ask how you felt intuitively, what your gut told you about him. thinking you'd at least temper your caution--but then you went ahead and answered that question, and frankly your answer surprises me (though I guess on balance it fits with everything else you've said above here).
As far as I'm concerned, the first real sign of how coherent and dedicated his vision for the Gator program and drive to achieve it really is came when he dismissed Janoris Jenkins before last season. A number of actions and statements since, all consistent in reflecting his unique blend of honor, commitment and tough pragmatism, have only served to further support and deepen my view of him: someone not at all like any previous Gator coach, the differences very much fortuitous ones that already have us turned and gathering speed in our "come back". While he is as competitive as any coach, I don't really think he sees this necessarily as a personal contest between himself and Saban in the role of "his old mentor"--except of course insofar as that Tide team is currently the National Champion, the best team in the Conference and nation, and in that sense is the coach, team and program that has to be overcome in order for HIS team and program, The Fightin' Gators, to ultimately take and hold their rightful place at the top of the college football world.
On the one hand, it is understandable that you and many others wish to "reserve judgement", wait and see, but I'm on record now as going with the middle-to-long-term belief in him and his plans for us....Which begs the question, at what point will you be convinced, E-? Is there some threshold that must be achieved before you decide? I don't think you are unrealistic about our short-term prospects, so what are your expectations for Coach Muschamp and the Gators in the seasons ahead? I do NOT expect a National Championship run this season, and only a return to the discussion , with a killer "D" and a "gathering storm" on offense, even in 2013 (we will dominate teams next season, but our youth may still cost us a crucial game or two); in other words, we'll be close next year, and then begin our true run annually in the playoffs that look to begin in 2014--that's how I see it. Will you reserve judgment until then? Would such a process and rate-of-improvement in outcome win you over, or just be satisfactory enough to continue to "wait and see"?
Ron Zook established that a coach gets 4 years, no matter what, so I can probably reserve judgement until 2014, with 2012 being a turning point for better or worse.
I want Muschamp to focus less on chewing out refs and more time chewing out players. I want one of his teams to beat a team they should not have defeated. After that, I may take a leap of faith.
I want Muschamp to focus less on chewing out refs and more time chewing out players. I want one of his teams to beat a team they should not have defeated. After that, I may take a leap of faith.
...I think that was a "Yes", but (again) a pretty damn cautious one...alright, alright, I'll let it go: that's gonna have to do, I guess. However, I have to say again that I'd rather see him "in action" making actual team-changing moves that send a message, set the tone for the whole program (LIKE the Janoris Jenkins dismissal, for eg.), rather than chewing his guys out publicly on the field for anything but their own really obvious public and selfishly stupid in-game behavior...Myself, I kind of like it when he voices everyone's frustration and anger with the refs , defending his team out there--personally, in fact, there've already been a couple of instances when I loved it!
What game was where Rainey muffed a punt because it hit another player first? Muschamp went ape$hit, but burned a timeout we could have used. That sticks out in my head. Yeah, defend your player, but don't make an @$$ of yourself and lose a timeout.
Also, no keynote victories. Even the Zooker beat ranked teams with, albeit with better talent and experience. Hall's sanction depleted teams beat ranked opponents.
I believe in Muschamp, but I need SOMETHING to base my faith on.
(laughing) OK, OK, I'm with you on some of this...I'm not like, related to Muschamp or anything...Yeah, I'd forgot about that freak-out/lost time out affair, not COMPLETELY his fault, btw, but I'll bet he learned a lesson there he probably should have learned a long time ago ("Don't let the LAST play burn you on the NEXT one!", or something like that). When you're in charge, there's no one to restrain you ultimately but yourself (though I HAVE seen top Head Coaches being pulled back by Assistant Coaches over the years; still, no excuses).
Now, the "no keynote victories"-point is more serious--but remember, LAST season was his first, he and the program were put in a bad situation (even worse than we thought and maybe worse than HE though too) that was compounded by rampant injury and having to shed a bunch of "talented headcases", AND Weis turned out to be a complete dud: we had no offense, basically. It'll be a LOT more serious, in my view, if such victories were still missing after THIS year...I expect at LEAST one or two wins that'll fall into that category this time around, though. The way we're being undervalued, I'm looking forward to some "shockers" this year--especially as far as the folks "out there" are concerned.
