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Just throwing this one out there--LONG!

DRU2012

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Helluva time to be even thinking about this, perhaps, let alone showing any real concern, but even in the middle of a still-to-be-fully-contested full-on quarterback-competition for starting-status (and the latest word that a 2-QB-System is being at least seriously considered as a possible alternative), there is still time for our coaches at least (who, aside from Strength & Conditioning are forbidden any contact with their OWN team at the moment, and who are restricted in what they can do in terms of outside recruiting) to remain vigilant and maintain contact in the case of a QB-prospect worth OUR attention, in the weeks, months and (eventually, hopefully) years ahead--this "gunslinger" from Jackson Prep (Miss.), Ryan Buchanan...have you seen any of this kid's highlights? Big, strong, runs like a bull and can stop on a dime, wheel and fire strikes 50+ yds. downfield with a quick-snap-release. Be nice to get him in next year, redshirt him, then have him a freshman on the sidelines in one-or-both present-QBs' senior year(s), don't ya think? THAT'S how you build long-term success, and that's exactly what this staff has in mind. Anyway, they're sending someone out to "observe and evaluate, within the NCAA's rules and constraints" at a workout in Flowwood, Miss., this weekend. It is thought that we are close to "offering" him a scholarship, as they say...
 

Escambia94

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The last time we took a highly touted QB out of Mississippi it turned out well. Shane Matthews.
 

DRU2012

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Well he should get a scholarship from the Gators, him accepting would be the bigger question.
The last time we took a highly touted QB out of Mississippi it turned out well. Shane Matthews.
Both points well-taken--Buchanan's a good one, no doubt about it, and I expect this staff to turn its attention to grabbing up "the next big-time Gator quarterback" with the same determination and efficiency with which it has dealt with our (soon-to-be-former) difficulties at running back. However, there is a bigger point, part of a larger frame-of-reference, that I want to address here.
Ideally you want "balanced squads" able to "rise organically" out of your recruiting, conditioning and redshirting processes...E-, you once made an interesting point about how this sort of thing seems to run its course among certain coaches over a certain period of time at a given location and program before exhausting itself--that, though it may vary some, I think you put "6 years" as the average "peak period" of interest, efficiency and success. I may have the exact time-span wrong, but the concept would seem to have a certain validity, in empirical terms.
Still, whether out of naivete or determination, it seems our current Head Coach is building for long-term success rather than just the one "cycle". I find it interesting and stirring that he seems to be aware of and operating along all three required tracks--short-, medium- and long-term planning necessary to have the structure of the next cycle taking shape even as he and his staff ensure talent and depth developing in staggered-fashion along the way, able to be "plugged in" where needed, and therefore maximizing both the individuals' and the team's success. Will Muschamp, if he can now maintain a degree of stability on his staff and continue to be passionately energized with the tasks at hand, has a chance to be that "exception to the rule", all too rare nowadays, of a big-time coach who moves in, stays and becomes, in a sense, the "face of the program".
For all his quick success (or maybe partly because of it), Meyer never managed it, though for a time we wanted to believe he might be that man, eventually--and of course Zook wanted it but it was never going to be. No, Spurrier was the closest we've had, at least in the "modern era", and he had a zillion factors--in timing, personality, situation, history and subsequent events--that gave him special advantage in this regard. The very fact, however, that Coach Muschamp appears to be making his way so steadily--following Meyer in the face of both great and sudden success on the one hand, and stunning ineptness, loss of interest and a kind of "distracted betrayal" on his way out the door, on the other--yet somehow landing us on our feet and "hitting the ground running", the "worst" (worse than we ever knew, it turns out) now over and all of us more or less confident and optimistic about the future, says a great deal about the man--both as a Head Coach, from a football standpoint, and as a leader. That goes double, quadruple, for his players. Out on "the rubber-chicken tour", Coach Boom is telling the fans and boosters, when they inevitably ask if he's planning on being here awhile or going to move on when someone else comes calling, his answer is simply, "I'm home." It gets big applause--but in his case, I am really coming to believe it.
 

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I will defend Urban Meyer again. Back in 2005, we all suspected that Meyer was a short-term deal. We all saw how coaches like Urban Meyer, Bobby Petrino, and Nick Saban like to switch teams frequently. What did we expect? I think many of us were tainted by Steve Spurrier staying for 12 years. Great programs tend to hold coaches for a decade. Look back at Bob Woodruff (10 years, 1950-1959), Ray Graves (10 years, 1960-1969), Doug Dickey (9 years, 1970-1978), Charley Pell (5 years*, 1979-1984*), Galen Hall (5 years*, 1984-1989*) [one could combine those two for a Pell-Hall stint of 10 years], Steve Spurrier (12 years, 1990-2001), Ron Zook (3 years, 2002-2004), and Urban Meyer (6 years, 2005-2010). One could combine the Zook and Meyer years for about a decade of coaching. This implies that Will Muschamp will be here for a decade as long as he stays out of NCAA trouble. This also implies that Meyer essentially fulfilled his obligation if you combine his tenure with Zook's. You can also say he fulfilled his 10 years obligation by winning two national championships. What all this points to is that the University of Florida has a strong "program". The coaches that Florida brings in have a different way of implementing the program. All of them like speed, because athletes from the southeast tend to be fast, but not large. The name brand attracts the Emmitt Smiths and Danny Wuerffels of the world. The coaches and their brand of football can influence a few players as well. Urban Meyer's brand of football is strong enough to attract a lot of non-Florida kids. His brand of football also stressed speed and athleticism over character. Will Muschamp will be able to create his brand of Florida football if he continuously grabs the top offensive coordinators in the game (Pease may not stay 10 years), and gets some of his defensive recruits successful in the NFL.

If we grab these out-of-state QBs, it will have to be because of Pease. He needs to stay at Florida for a while. I think we will have no trouble grabbing top defensive talent under Muschamp for the better part of a decase (I am assuming Quinn will stick around for a while as well). Muschamp's long term success may depend on what Pease does with Brissett and Driskel, then how he recruits for offense in the upcoming years.
 

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Well, I won't get into it with you here, E-, 'cause I don't think it was your main point, but any "brand of football" that "stressed speed and athleticism over character" was never going to have anything BUT "short-term success" at best--and though of course no coach would admit to that "philosophy" in the first place, Meyer in particular made a big deal of stressing (and continues to project) the opposite image. Meanwhile, we saw the results, how quickly success crumbled in our hands, while he stared at the early signs in bewilderment--then bailed just ahead of it turning to sand running between his fingers.
When it comes to judging "regimes", I suppose it isn't so much a question of which of us is "right" or "wrong", but rather one of different ways of looking at it all. I suppose I can see it from the perspectives you frame it in, but I see it more subjectively, from the POV of our school and program, how much we care about both, how "the story" changed with what was convenient for this man at any given time and, pragmatic or not, how it affected US--our team, program and every loyal fan.
The main point you made is one I also stressed, though: stability will make all the difference in our steadily accelerating climb back to the very top. To be honest, although I continue to have my private opinion on his future in general and how it may unfold with tOSU, in the case of our "former-coach" I am more than ready to move past debate on what he did or didn't do. What's done is done, and as I say, we have "weathered the storm", "landed on our feet", and have already begun to move on, with a Head Coach who isn't just a "hired gun, and now has the people in place around him to make and keep us all proud.
I'm assuming you're as able to see my points about Urban's shortcomings as I am of grasping your defending him in terms of results and "real world" considerations. Are you as tired as I am of arguing it all? As far as I'm concerned, from here on out it's about THIS coach, THIS staff, THIS and future teams and seasons...From now on, I propose we focus less on who's gone and what's past and more on what's ahead for our Florida Gators.
 

Leakfan12

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OK one Urban Meyer wasn't the only one to recruit players who had red flags (examples the Criminoles though my sister graduated from that school, the U, UGA, and UT) and hint he wouldn't be the last. I'm 50-50 on Meyer, he did give us a lot to cheer for (two titles) though he did lapse in 2010 rather it be not coaching like he once did or being too loyal to a certain someone in his coaching staff (who's now in Temple) then pulling a Petrino (abandon ship when the going got tough). As for the Miss HS QB, what class is he, 2013? By the time, he comes Driskel and Brisset might be juniors.
 

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Leakfan12, Escambia94
(1) I understand and accept your points, Lf, as far as they go...I am just less accepting and more cynical about what that says about the man I so strongly supported for much of his time here, AND about what the "Law of Diminishing Returns" would seem to say about his likely future deeds and performance elsewhere. In the end, though, I'm more than ready to shrug off what differences exist among myself and fellow Gators as to what it all means in terms of our past, and instead turn the bulk of our attention to our future with this regime.
(2) In that vein, assuming neither of the current pair of QBs takes the "redshirt" that is still available to both, they'll be juniors if/when Buchanan were to choose us next year, presumably he'd redshirt then (2013) and still be a freshman the year following (2014) when both are seniors. If, on the other hand, one of the current pair were to be redshirted after all--whatever the reason--at "worst" Buchanan might spend his sophomore season as a back-up, more and more ready to step in as the starter. The timing would seem to be just about ideal all around.
 

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