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Meyer, Matthews saga blown out of proportion

O-town Gator

Gator Fan
"For those of you who aren’t aware of a controversy that has been blown up like the Underdog balloon at the Macy’s parade, Meyer was talking to a Gator Club two weeks ago in Orlando. He started to, well, let him tell it.

“Darryl Perry and Jack Youngblood were there and they are two of the most loyal Gators there are,” Meyer said. “I saluted them, told the crowd about how great they were. From the time I put my bags down at Florida Darryl Perry has done everything he can to help with recruiting. Jack Youngblood, as loyal a Gator as you’ll ever find.

“And then I went off on a tangent. It was quick. And it has turned into this.”

Meyer told the club that ex-players who, in his opinion, hurt recruiting are not welcome in the coaches’ offices. Immediately, this became a blogger’s dream because everyone assumed that he was talking about former Gator quarterback Shane Matthews, who co-hosts a radio show in town.

It was a big deal for a week, then died. But on Wednesday, it was resurrected when ESPN.com featured a piece on its front page and ESPN had Matthews on “College Football Live” Wednesday where Matthews said it was all overblown. (I talked to Matthews on Wednesday night and he is just as stunned that this story still has legs. Matthews has been critical of Florida’s offense at times, but insists some of his comments were mis-represented).

Meyer and Matthews have talked and cleared the air. But the Florida coach hasn’t backed down in his principles.

“I love loyalty,” he said.

And nobody has been more loyal to the former players than Meyer. He started the barbecue to bring back former players two weeks before the season, the champions dinner on Homecoming. The $30 million facility that is the new front door for the football program is focused on the players who left their mark on the program.

And any player who comes into the football offices is invited to watch film with the coaches.

But there are exceptions.

“If you go after my family in any way, if you get personal with a player or you hurt recruiting, you’ve crossed the line,” Meyer said. “That’s my whole life — my family, the players and recruiting. I hear things. Things get back to me. I really don’t care if you want to criticize me. If you want to criticize the punting or kicking or dig routes or running up the score, I don’t care. Criticize me as a coach, I don’t care. That’s athletics. That’s journalism. But you go after my family, a player or hurt recruiting, you’re not invited in here.

“Everybody wants to make this out as Meyer vs. Shane. That wasn’t the intent at all. It’s more than just Shane. We’ve talked. He apologized if he offended anyone.”


Link: http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20090513/COLUMNISTS/905139915/1044?Title=Meyer-Matthews-saga-blown-out-of-proportion

(Now my two cents: Dooley is just as guilty as Andrea Adelson and the rest of these media loose-cannons for making a mountain out of a molehill and blowing things out of proportion. This "schlock" journalism, as well as the rumor-mongering about ND and other nonsense, needs to stop. Never mind reliance on these so-called "sources" - report the facts, and most of all TELL THE TRUTH.

Don't misunderstand me - I'm not advocating censorship in any form - just saying that journalists need to be held responsible for the spoken and written word, and to use a sense of tact and respect in what they convey to their audience.

I don't have a paid membership to GC, but one thing Buddy Martin said I agree with in his recent article from a short excerpt posted over there - "One thing you learn as a member of the media, however, is when you fire a shot at somebody, they have the right to fire back." As vindictive as Coach Meyer can be when somebody rubs him the wrong way, don't expect him to let negative or false comments gently roll off his back. Honestly, I wish others would take this approach with the media; it's time for them to simply report the news and stay away from trying to instigate trouble or start unnecessary controversy. Just as we hold other professionals responsible for rendering their services and have the legal right to sue them for malpractice, errors and omissions, so should we hold journalists to the same - as far as I'm concerned they shouldn't regard themselves as inculpable in any way.

Frankly I'm sick and tired of these media types over-hyping situations and castigating those who don't live up to their expectations; some of you here are probably too young to remember the 1980 Winter Olympics in Lake Placid when the Heidens (brother Eric and sister Beth) were on our speed-skating team. Eric swept the golds in the men's events, and even though Beth was expected to do the same she did not - she medalled, but didn't win gold. I do credit her for firing a salvo back at the media over negative comments and being brave enough to say to them "to hell with you guys".

Enough is enough.)
 
Shane Mathews is acting way out of line here. Yes he was the beginning of a long list of good qb's after him and he won the 1st SEC championship for the school. So what he is gone now, he didn't play for Meyer he played for Spurrier. In my opinon when Spurrier left anything that was done with him was gone too and no one had the right to criticize Urban Meyer. He already has done more than Spurrier did his whole career at Florida. 2 National Championships and he has only lost once to the 3 main rivals, Tenn., GA., & FL. St. Shane needs to shut his mouth and support Meyer and he just needs to go away.
 

gatorsare#1

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Shane Mathews is acting way out of line here. Yes he was the beginning of a long list of good qb's after him and he won the 1st SEC championship for the school. So what he is gone now, he didn't play for Meyer he played for Spurrier. In my opinon when Spurrier left anything that was done with him was gone too and no one had the right to criticize Urban Meyer. He already has done more than Spurrier did his whole career at Florida. 2 National Championships and he has only lost once to the 3 main rivals, Tenn., GA., & FL. St. Shane needs to shut his mouth and support Meyer and he just needs to go away.

No, he has not automatically done more than Spurrier just because Meyer has more titles.

And you don't mention that Spurrier had to deal with a perennial top 10 FSU team and a Tennessee team that was also very good while Meyer catches all our rivals in a down period. In addition, SEC titles, while not as big as national titles, shouldn't be ignored. It is still quite an honor to be the best team in the best conference. And Spurrier has 6 SEC titles (and should have a 7th if it weren't for probation) while Meyer has only 2.
 
Down years or not, rivals are still rivals and they are tough games no matter what. Meyer is going into his 5th year and has won two SEC championships. He will win more give him time. You can't compare that because Spurrier was there longer. Compare after Meyer has been there for 11 years like Spurrier.
 

gatorsare#1

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Down years or not, rivals are still rivals and they are tough games no matter what. Meyer is going into his 5th year and has won two SEC championships. He will win more give him time. You can't compare that because Spurrier was there longer. Compare after Meyer has been there for 11 years like Spurrier.

I normally agree with the bolded part, but not here.

For example, 1990s FSU, with Bowden in his prime and playmakers all over the field, was 10x harder to prepare for and win against than FSU today.

You can't deny that Meyer has fortuitously gotten our four rivals, FSU, UT, UGA, and Miami ALL at down points. Spurrier had to deal with FSU and UT, and Zook had to deal with UGA and Miami. Meyer has no rival as good as UF to deal with.
 

O-town Gator

Gator Fan
With the exception of UGA in 2007, Meyer has accomplished a feat that even SOS wasn't capable of pulling off - that, as well as winning 2 National Championshiips within a matter of two years.

Still, my point is not to start the Meyer vs. SOS debate; it's to call out the media for their unscrupluous tactics and deliberately exascerbating things just to annoy and irritate their readers and/or listening audience. To me, that's immature and rather unprofessional on their part.

Recently sportswriters and even TV broadcasters seem to be stooping to the level of tabloid journalism one sees in the National Enquirer and publications of that sort. It's not a good reflection on them at all.

If and when some of the media start getting sued over misrepresentations, then the joke's on them. Honestly, I wish somebody would.
 

gatorsare#1

VIP Member
With the exception of UGA in 2007, Meyer has accomplished a feat that even SOS wasn't capable of pulling off - that, as well as winning 2 National Championshiips within a matter of two years.

Still, my point is not to start the Meyer vs. SOS debate; it's to call out the media for their unscrupluous tactics and deliberately exascerbating things just to annoy and irritate their readers and/or listening audience. To me, that's immature and rather unprofessional on their part.

Recently sportswriters and even TV broadcasters seem to be stooping to the level of tabloid journalism one sees in the National Enquirer and publications of that sort. It's not a good reflection on them at all.

If and when some of the media start getting sued over misrepresentations, then the joke's on them. Honestly, I wish somebody would.

I completely agree with you on the media. They really like to push things nowadays and as you said, it doesn't reflect well on them at all.
 

MahxFahn

Gator Fan
I think the larger question here is.... Should an alumnus/ex-player/ex-coach make negative remarks about his or her Alma Mater in a public forum? SOS thinks "you can complain about stuff that happens but you still have to be behind your team". I remember when he was in Gainesville and he shut-out dooley and bianchi at different times 'cause of the slant they took on what the Gators were doing or did. (hhmmm maybe THAT'S when I started my dislike for those 2)
You don't have to be a 'homer' 'cause that's nearly as annoying as listening to someone who has a negative tone about your team all the time. I believe Coach when he said that it was not directed at shane.
“Everybody wants to make this out as Meyer vs. Shane. That wasn’t the intent at all. It’s more than just Shane. We’ve talked. He apologized if he offended anyone.”
 

Escambia94

Aerospace Cubicle Engineer (ACE)
Moderator
Even if you use the "Florida caught Tennessee, FSU, and others at a downslide", you still have to give Meyer credit for his record on the national stage. Few outside of the southeast care about how well Florida does in the SEC--they want to know how Florida does against teams like Nebraska, USC, Michigan, Ohio State and Miami that traditionally have a large following across the country.
 

Ufgatorfan

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As a big Gator fan I do not agree with Myer. He himself is critical of his own players and staffs performance yet he gets bothered by a former Gator QB giving a little constructive critisim. Many of times I have read him talk about a player not playing good, not doing this should do that ect.ect, on radio and TV. I love Myer as a coach and what he has done for this program. I just hope he realizes the players current and former are always a part of gator nation and he should never threaten to take any of that away, especially for a comment that really was not even that bad. Those who say Shane should go away just remember who started the run sec championships. That was Steve and Shane. Shane came from a third string QB to being a great SEC QB. He has giving allot of sweat and tears to this program as well as Spurrier. Myer is a great coach but I hope his head is not getting to big for him self. Also Shane was right we should have used our receivers more on a man to man defense to open the running game. Coached can make mistakes too so my advice to Myer would be to take compliments well take criticism better?
 

Escambia94

Aerospace Cubicle Engineer (ACE)
Moderator
I don't like armchair quarterbacks, even if the armchair quarterback used to quarterback from the field. Shane has every right to talk about the Fun N' Gun--he was a part of it. This offense is not his Fun N' Gun, so if Shane wants to put his money where his mouth is he should get a job as a coach and try his theories out. Granted, some of Shane's ideas do make sense with the basketball analogy and the Spread receivers.

If you want to help Meyer and the Gator Nation, contact him in person and share your ideas. Don't call him out in public, or make it a point to be near a microphone when you have complaints.
 
As a big Gator fan I do not agree with Myer. He himself is critical of his own players and staffs performance yet he gets bothered by a former Gator QB giving a little constructive critisim. Many of times I have read him talk about a player not playing good, not doing this should do that ect.ect, on radio and TV. I love Myer as a coach and what he has done for this program. I just hope he realizes the players current and former are always a part of gator nation and he should never threaten to take any of that away, especially for a comment that really was not even that bad. Those who say Shane should go away just remember who started the run sec championships. That was Steve and Shane. Shane came from a third string QB to being a great SEC QB. He has giving allot of sweat and tears to this program as well as Spurrier. Myer is a great coach but I hope his head is not getting to big for him self. Also Shane was right we should have used our receivers more on a man to man defense to open the running game. Coached can make mistakes too so my advice to Myer would be to take compliments well take criticism better?

As a big Gator fan I do agree MEYER. Meyer is the coach of the Gators right now and he has every right to talk about players not playing good, that is his job and he does a great job at it. Meyer is a critical guy and it works for his program and it will continue to work for a long time.
 

O-town Gator

Gator Fan
If you want to help Meyer and the Gator Nation, contact him in person and share your ideas. Don't call him out in public, or make it a point to be near a microphone when you have complaints.

VERY good point! I dare any of these people who are so critical of Coach Meyer to say some of the things they post on message boards right to his face - that is, if any of them have the cajones to do it.

As a big Gator fan I do agree MEYER. Meyer is the coach of the Gators right now and he has every right to talk about players not playing good, that is his job and he does a great job at it. Meyer is a critical guy and it works for his program and it will continue to work for a long time.

Right here too. Too many Gator fans are jaded from the Spurrier years and think he's Jesus Christ wearing a visor (no blasphemy intended by my metaphor). I myself hope Meyer stays in Gainesville for many more years to come and continues to being in the championships - and THEN what will the die-hards say?

And yes, I'd rather hear Meyer telling the truth about players not performing to expectations and pointing out the failed assignments/poor execution - at least he's proactive in addressing and solving the problems, unlike the Zooker who was clueless and made excuses. The proof is in the pudding, and after two National Championships in four years, he has every right to "call the shots" when it comes to Gator football.
 

Ufgatorfan

VIP Member
As a big Gator fan I do agree MEYER. Meyer is the coach of the Gators right now and he has every right to talk about players not playing good, that is his job and he does a great job at it. Meyer is a critical guy and it works for his program and it will continue to work for a long time.

I agree with Myer as far as calling out players who are under performing. My point was, he is getting upset because a former player questioned his play calling, which is understanable considering we lost that game. The play calling was not that good and if you noticed we opened the play book following that loss and really played well.Its not as if he was saying the coaching staff sucks, Myer doesn't know what he is doing this program is heading down the wrong path ect ect ect. All it was in my opinion was alittle constuctive criticism.I dont understand why Myer would threaten to take any former players right to visit the program away. Is he (Myer) not allowed to be questioned? I think we all need to be questioned alittle from time to time and it really keeps us honest and on our game.
 
I agree with Myer as far as calling out players who are under performing. My point was, he is getting upset because a former player questioned his play calling, which is understanable considering we lost that game. The play calling was not that good and if you noticed we opened the play book following that loss and really played well.Its not as if he was saying the coaching staff sucks, Myer doesn't know what he is doing this program is heading down the wrong path ect ect ect. All it was in my opinion was alittle constuctive criticism.I dont understand why Myer would threaten to take any former players right to visit the program away. Is he (Myer) not allowed to be questioned? I think we all need to be questioned alittle from time to time and it really keeps us honest and on our game.

Man I am not trying to be an ass here, but please spell the coaches names right. It's Meyer not Myer.
 

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