• Welcome to Green Bay Packers NFL Football Forum & Community!
    Packer Forum is one of the largest online communities for the Green Bay Packers.

    You are currently viewing our community forums as a guest user.

    Sign Up or

    Having an account grants you additional privileges, such as creating and participating in discussions. Furthermore, we hide most of the ads once you register as a member! Furthermore, we hide most of the ads once you register as a member!

Story that I was told

awebbf5

VIP Member
Tonight I ran into a guy working at hibbetts sports store, had my Florida hat on, come to find out he was a die hard gator fan also. To make a long story short we got to talking and he was telling me that he knew former Florida CB Markihe Anderson good. Now the interesting part, he said Markihe Anderson told him that teammates went to Urban Meyer and asked for Cam Newton to start that he practiced better and played better than Tebow, but it was kept hush hush. Story kinda seemed far fetched but I was wanting to know if anyone ever heard anything about this? IDK this guy to know if he is a reliable source or was just blowing smoke, but I never heard anything about it.
 

Escambia94

Aerospace Cubicle Engineer (ACE)
Moderator
It depends on who you ask. Opinions were split 50/50 on JB4 & Cam, but Cam kept getting into trouble (cheating on tests, missing class, parking tickets, then the laptop) and he knocked himself out of #2 behind Tebow. In practice JB4 looked better passing, but I hear Cam was okay and somethings better due to his running. That is what I heard.
 

InkedAdrenaline

VIP Member
Fuck cam Newton. Tebow did the damn thing for us and brought us a Nat champ. And his last year Tebow carried usnon his back. I hate cam Newton. He had a good first year in the nfl and this year he is going to suck, mark my words.

Sorry cNt stand cam Newton.
/rant
 

DRU2012

Super Moderator
Staff member
Super Moderator
awebbf5, Escambia94, Leakfan12 InkedAdrenaline
Gotta say I pretty well agree with BOTH responses to aweb's "rumor"...and as for the "story" itself, I don't think there was EVER any controversy about who should have been starting between TT and Newton--if there WERE any "minority mumblings" (and it would have BEEN a DEFINITE minority) on that score, it was gone early in #15's Heisman year, as a sophomore and the first year he started (and that was after he played a smallish but exciting role inside the redzone during the previous, championship year, backing up Leak). No, Cam supposedly started muttering about leaving to his small group of 2nd- and 3rd-string cronies after Tebow WAS named the starter in '07, but at that point he was slated to become the "NBT" for another Gator Championship run as the starter when TT left for the NFL instead of staying his senior year--but Tebow DIDN'T split, which "only" left Cam with a potential 2 seasons starting--IF he could curb his own worst tendencies, the selfish arrogance and petty thief-mentality that was more and more revealing itself during that period. Then we got Brantley, the run-away best prep-QB in the state, and a long-time Gator legacy to boot, so when Newton subsequently kept getting into more and bigger trouble, AND kept mouthing off to anyone who'd listen how little he needed US and supposedly how MUCH we needed HIM, well, Meyer didn't like it and finally cut him loose (rumor I heard was that Cam AND Cecil had already been putting out feelers at the handful of backwater, 2nd division "transition schools"--like Blinn, in TX, where he eventually ended up for a year after leaving UF--AND there was ALREADY whispering talk of "pay for play" out there on Cecil's part that pretty well sealed Cam's fate--what a family! Still can't figure out what happened with the whole Auburn thing--Remember: We were all told it was "coming" when their Head Coach tried to push the matter to the forefront last year, but no "final verdict and judgement" has ever been handed down to this day in that matter...You think the fix was in so deep that it got buried?--Hint: =rhetorical question).
No, while Cam showed flashes of the kind of Tebowish skills that Urban's version of the "hot spread", a kind of single-wing throwback with a bull-like running QB who can sling the ball too (really a throwing tailback in an offset shotgun, like the early days of the forward pass), really required to work, it was neither as developed nor NEARLY as aggressively polished or consistent as Tebow's mastery of it was at that point--and NO one had TT's leadership or field-awareness skills at that time. Now, Cam WAS a potential better fit than Brantley, who was more "pure passer" (that was always his "rep"), and JBIV was several years away from being expected to step forward then anyway: There was PLENTY of time for Newton to come in after Tebow and star then, or so it seemed, had he buckled down and let things play out the way they seemed to set up "on paper"...but of course, that was "not meant to be", and the rest is "strange history".
 

Leakfan12

VIP Member
It depends on who you ask. Opinions were split 50/50 on JB4 & Cam, but Cam kept getting into trouble (cheating on tests, missing class, parking tickets, then the laptop) and he knocked himself out of #2 behind Tebow. In practice JB4 looked better passing, but I hear Cam was okay and somethings better due to his running. That is what I heard.

I still remember that 2008 Orange and Blue game where Cam sucked while Tebow who had a cold or a flu and had a temp of over 100 degrees outperformed him (Brantley didn't play). I'm sure if Cam didn't get himself in trouble a number of times he would have been the winning the Heisman as a Gator and maybe Meyer still been coaching here instead of those Nuts.
 

Escambia94

Aerospace Cubicle Engineer (ACE)
Moderator
Fuck cam Newton. Tebow did the damn thing for us and brought us a Nat champ. And his last year Tebow carried usnon his back. I hate cam Newton. He had a good first year in the nfl and this year he is going to suck, mark my words.

Sorry cNt stand cam Newton.
/rant
Cam had a good first year, because his coach let him run 50% spread/ zone read plays. Tebow did not get that option. Cam is struggling now with more pro style plays.
 

DRU2012

Super Moderator
Staff member
Super Moderator
While we're at least "brushing up against" this subject, I'll take this opportunity to make a point that unfortunately COULD have been made on-the-field, but instead so far is only going to be "half-made", apparently, thanks to shortsightedness and stupidity (especially Ryan's, of the Jets--but it extends in all directions, both in the NFL AND the media/sporting world at large)). That is, the very differences between the two, Tim and Cam, that you speak of--as players and men--where on the one hand we are witnessing and will see more and more that "slide" in effectiveness on Newton's part as the league adapts to his natural skills and style-of-play, but he does NOT (that would require intelligence, determination, and strength-of-character, the very things that Cam has always been short on, and that now severely limit him). At the same time, as we began to see so dramatically at Denver but which Elway PURPOSEFULLY shipped out (along with the future of the Bronco program), these same traits have always been as much Tebow's strengths as his unique physical skills--and they extend on and OFF the field--but Ryan and the Jets appear determined to limit him to the narrow uses Meyer put him to back in his freshman year of college. We can only hope that one day, whether here in New York by necessity and circumstance, or through the unpredictable chains of chance, cause and effect that occur in the course of cockeyed-commerce and NFL-careers, either through some coach's bold intention or the unforeseen product of landing in a desperate situation, TT gets the opportunity to show all the talents and skills he had to start, and those he subsequently has accumulated and acquired in the meanwhile through all of this--and we all get to watch him show the world what he only began to show the first small portion of last season in Denver, when he was so young, everything, even forces on his own team, stacked against him and at best a "fair-to-middling" NFL squad around him, was able to so excitingly accomplish.
 

Leakfan12

VIP Member
I wish Tebow was still in Denver though if Peyton Manning would have been the starter but it was the Elway or the highway. Steve Young said in the NFL life of faces of Tebow that he should concrete on playing QB. Also in that same program Broadway Joe said he's a fan (Go figure). He did said Tebow was more prepare going to New York than he was (it help Tebow that he was covered since he was a junior in high school). I'm happy the Bucs finally beat Cam though allowed him to throw for 300 yards.
 

DRU2012

Super Moderator
Staff member
Super Moderator
The one thing that leaves me with hope that we may well eventually see "the real Tebow" get a "real shot" is his determination and perseverance, no matter what: I believe he'll hang in there regardless, continuing to learn and grow and never stop taking his high-road, believe-in-himself positive attitude into whatever situation events and circumstances lead him, the odds over time saying he may well get his shot--at which point he WILL rise to it. Cam will have his highs and lows, more and more of the latter over time and eventually be one of those much-travelled journeymen: he's already hit his high point...we've already seen his best. TT, in contrast (and as I say, against great odds and in-house resistance) had his first "run" cut off just as he began to find his place and rhythm with his first pro-team; now he'll have to find a new set of conditions and begin again, do it differently--but do any of us really have any doubt that he will somehow, someday do it?!!
 

Escambia94

Aerospace Cubicle Engineer (ACE)
Moderator
I will accede one point. If NFL coaches are going to be stubborn and convert both Cam and Timmy to boring pro-style passers, Cam is further along in release time. I do not care about the actual mechanics. Timmy either needs to get rid of the hitch, or drop back/ stay in shotgun with the ball cocked in the hitch position. From there, any coach should be able to accelerate his reads and progressions. Otherwise, let both of the guys revolutionize/ evolutionize the way NFL QBs play by letting them do those zone reads and give us, the fans, another brand of exciting football.
 

DRU2012

Super Moderator
Staff member
Super Moderator
That really IS the bottom line, E-. I guess WE'RE left hoping that TT gets a shot at the latter process somehow, somewhere: Rather than see him "broken" and fitted into some "quirky" version of "the same old same old", it has always been our hope, and in mine and others' view, if not the destiny then the best case scenario for the NFL itself, that his wildly exciting, emotionally charged and world-turned-upside-down approach to running an offense open the door to his and other uniquely-imagined and executed "systems" be allowed to develop around uniquely talented INDIVIDUALS--in this way bringing growth and diversity to the Game, a "renaissance" at a time when it was on the verge of becoming stale. Personally, I couldn't care less as to Cam's fate, except as it relates to this larger struggle to "free-up" (or in your words "revolutionize" or "EVOlutionize") the quarterback position. The resulting flow-of-play around he and all the other potential on-field-innovators will otherwise likely get lost in professional football's very pressure to fit EVERYONE into certain positional, procedural and functional processes--a kind of institutional "hardening of the arteries" that ALREADY is well on its way to making the NFL, though filled with the best-of-the-best, a more and more boring and predictable product.
In Tim's case, I believe it is more crucial to both his success and outright happiness, the eventual true realization of his talents and natural inclinations--the on-field expression of his whole persona AND that game's potential future--that he influence the pro-game more than it shape him. Though eager to learn and grow, I see in him a kind of innate and determined sense of honor and self that could carry him over and through a flawed and resistant system without compromising either his self-confidence OR style-of-play...He could be the very type of personality, as well as talent, to pull it off--but these are the inevitable "dark times" of resistance, and there are no guarantees regarding the eventual outcome.
 

Members online

No members online now.

Forum statistics

Threads
20,416
Messages
91,568
Members
1,227
Latest member
Jamesmyday
Top