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Texas A&M is a SEC member though
- Thread starter Leakfan12
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I don't think Baylor has a leg to stand on in an actual tort-case--it's all too indirect, what with all the conditions and "dominoes" that had to fall to get them to this point, THEN so many more to get to their "loss of value", THEN factoring in that letter to the SEC from The Big 12 Commish explicitly letting them off the hook, PLUS all the alternatives you mention above--however, they CAN gum up the otherwise smooth process that moving over to join us was starting to look like (and so far, are succeeding at that very thing). Best not to worry about it: that "family breakup" is now down to "bickering inlaws who NEVER liked each other all that much", and we can and should stay out of it until it's over and done with. It'll get settled.
(Later...) OMG, it all suddenly becomes clear, when I am reminded who is the PRESIDENT of Baylor University: Kenneth Starr!!! The man who spent months, YEARS fixating on the smallest details (anatomical and otherwise) of a VERY popular (no use denying it, Republicans...I have little use for EITHER of 'em, at this point; I'm just sayin'...) sitting-president's alleged misdeeds and peccadillos, wasting many millions of public dollars and equivalent truckloads of everyone's time trying in vain to put the largest crack he could in that popularity. HE wouldn't pursue a frivolous lawsuit that consumed large amounts of his University's funds, along with EVERYONE ELSE'S time and money, just for the sake of politics, and his own ego-drenched pride (also known in Kenny The Starr's mind and lexicon, at least, as "a matter of ethics and honor"), would he? At least the revelation of just who is behind this latest absurdity is also a reminder of who is "in charge" over there at Baylor--and hence exactly why we should have absolutely NO sympathy for whatever ignominious mudhole of a conference they land in: these self-righteous holier-than-thou-Joes hired KEN STARR as their frontman, to represent their interests, yes, but also WHO THEY ARE. They are about to "get what they paid for"; no surprise or complaining at the actual final results.
(See? I told you we should stay out of it...too bad I couldn't listen to my own advice!)
(Later...) OMG, it all suddenly becomes clear, when I am reminded who is the PRESIDENT of Baylor University: Kenneth Starr!!! The man who spent months, YEARS fixating on the smallest details (anatomical and otherwise) of a VERY popular (no use denying it, Republicans...I have little use for EITHER of 'em, at this point; I'm just sayin'...) sitting-president's alleged misdeeds and peccadillos, wasting many millions of public dollars and equivalent truckloads of everyone's time trying in vain to put the largest crack he could in that popularity. HE wouldn't pursue a frivolous lawsuit that consumed large amounts of his University's funds, along with EVERYONE ELSE'S time and money, just for the sake of politics, and his own ego-drenched pride (also known in Kenny The Starr's mind and lexicon, at least, as "a matter of ethics and honor"), would he? At least the revelation of just who is behind this latest absurdity is also a reminder of who is "in charge" over there at Baylor--and hence exactly why we should have absolutely NO sympathy for whatever ignominious mudhole of a conference they land in: these self-righteous holier-than-thou-Joes hired KEN STARR as their frontman, to represent their interests, yes, but also WHO THEY ARE. They are about to "get what they paid for"; no surprise or complaining at the actual final results.
(See? I told you we should stay out of it...too bad I couldn't listen to my own advice!)
InkedAdrenaline
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Hahaha ya more recruits for us lol
Exactly! That's the real joke here: the thing that will ACTUALLY be the "final straw" will be IF the Sooners bolt--THEN it (Big 12) disintegrates, no patching it with Houston, BYU, or anyone else--but Ken Starr doesn't want to go anywhere NEAR REAL power, not to mention bottomless pockets and the best lawyers on Earth. So he goes for the "do over", the cry-baby re-neg on the Beebe letter he'd previously signed off on, like everyone else in the (not-so)Big 12. He must know this won't hold up long term in ANY court anymore than it would have with the NCAA (who will get out of the way of THIS one like a cartoon character, disappearing in an NCAA-shaped cloud--not sure exactly what that would look like, but you get the idea), but that isn't the idea here, either. In typical Ken Starr style, he has chosen the action and the venue with maximum expense of money and time for all concerned in mind. It's his modus operendi, all he knows, and the hope in this case is that maybe Baylor can rally the other lesser-programs who will lose-out (and have to scramble just to step DOWN in conference-affiliation) if/when their current affiliation dissolves from under them, and maybe somehow force some kind of accommodation that softens the fall--I don't even think he or they have any real idea of what this might entail, only some vague notions of "things that might happen" if they can slow this thing down, maybe not stop it (they won't) but complicate and delay things enough to come away with more than they WOULD have. We'll see.
I think Oklahoma should wake up and break out from big brother Texas' thumb and move to another conference. Oklahoma and Texas A&M should not have to put up with any more of Texas' crap. Even though OK finished with a much better season than Texas, its revenue share was close to OK's at about $12M each. Meanwhile, aTm only got about $10M. These numbers are inflated by bowl game revenues. Without bowl games, Texas consistently snags an unfair share of the revenues over OK and aTm. If you were to map wins to dollars, aTm and Mizzou both are short-changed badly in the Big 12 while losers like Kansas and Baylor make out like bandits. In the SEC, revenues are shared equally (minus bowl game revenues), so you will rarely hear Vanderbilt or Kentucky complain even from a football point of view. SEC would love to make aTm and Mizzou happy additions. They may lose an extra game or two, but they will gain consistent revenue in the long run after maybe taking a hit in the first year or two. On the bright side, both schools would fare well in baseball, track & field, soccer, and several female sports in SEC play...enough to make their ADs happy. More importantly, it would add more fans, revenue and recruits out of a new market.
I couldn't agree more, E-. I GET why a few of the "other schools" of the (not so)Big 12 are "trying to hold both halves of the Titanic together" as it splits, then splits again--they'll end up hanging on for dear life to a last few fragments of deck-planking and CALL it "The Big 12 Conference" if that's all they have left, for all the reasons you note. What I DON'T quite understand is why Ok lets Texas have it all their own way. They are a big part of the dog that tail is wagging. They ACT like it's a matter of confidence--in their place in the big college-football picture AND their various options to do what they want, when they want. Sometimes "no decision" is ALSO a decision--historically (especially in strategic terms) it is also often the WORST one. Ok can claim they're "keeping our options open" all they want, but Texas is assuming the Sooners are their B*tches, and you know what they say about if it looks, talks and acts like something etc., etc. Oh well.
I think they'd be damn fools to go (with or without Texas) to the PAC Whatever, and they could round out their CHOICE of one of the other eventual "Superconferences", ultimately (ie. they don't HAVE to come to the SEC to remain center-stage relevant--but of course we'd TAKE 'em, now OR later--don't ya think?). They can either SHAPE that future landscape, or let it limit their choices while they dither.
I think they'd be damn fools to go (with or without Texas) to the PAC Whatever, and they could round out their CHOICE of one of the other eventual "Superconferences", ultimately (ie. they don't HAVE to come to the SEC to remain center-stage relevant--but of course we'd TAKE 'em, now OR later--don't ya think?). They can either SHAPE that future landscape, or let it limit their choices while they dither.
OK is just short-sighted. They see themselves as Texas' perpetual little sister. If OK would just win one national championship sometime soon, they may gather up the cajones to take a stand against UTsw.
I want OK to go SOMEWHERE other than the Little-12, and I want Texas to go independent so we can all laugh when they fall on their faces. Living here in Little-12 country, I have grown tired of the Texas and Texas-wannabes (the rest of the Little-12). UTsw and OK have split their last four matches, and have split an almost equal share of Little-12 revenue the past few years. UTsw will always be more profitable, but OK can close the gap by getting away from its older sister...just not to SEC. The other part of joining a conference is road trips. I sure as heck would not want to drive or fly from Gainesville to Norman. Besides, OK just raids Texas talent (half their roster comes from ShortHorn country). Once we snag aTm, we do not need to raid any more Texas teams for Texas talent.
I want OK to go SOMEWHERE other than the Little-12, and I want Texas to go independent so we can all laugh when they fall on their faces. Living here in Little-12 country, I have grown tired of the Texas and Texas-wannabes (the rest of the Little-12). UTsw and OK have split their last four matches, and have split an almost equal share of Little-12 revenue the past few years. UTsw will always be more profitable, but OK can close the gap by getting away from its older sister...just not to SEC. The other part of joining a conference is road trips. I sure as heck would not want to drive or fly from Gainesville to Norman. Besides, OK just raids Texas talent (half their roster comes from ShortHorn country). Once we snag aTm, we do not need to raid any more Texas teams for Texas talent.
Never saw Ok as a natural SEC fit,--but again, figure we'd take 'em if they ultimately found themselves with limited choices, the "Superconferences" closing out, their stated desire for a stable, long-term home and unhappiness with the current "Big Tx-and-everyone-else". Meanwhile, even factoring in regional affiliation and travel considerations, the "Big what-comes-after-Ten" doesn't appear to suit them either, philosophically OR geographically. History (especially military history, but the lesson I believe applies in the broadest context) shows that NOT choosing often ends up worse than making a much-feared "wrong" one. In life and battle, sh*t happens, and if you don't come out to meet it can end up happening ALL OVER YOU. Oh well...not our problem, right?
(While I was messing around here, MSU let Auburn slip out of the noose at the end of a game AGAIN, by a NOSE of the football at the goal line! These Tigers are like last year's LSU variety, getting to JUST squeeze by, at least so far. If ever there were a situation where "Karma" (IF you think there is anything to it to begin with--which, like so many other things that remain unproven, I tend to relegate to the "probably superstition but just in case"-category) you'd THINK would come into play, this would be the team--but so far, uh uh...though if you're gonna point to luck, you'd have to point to the "luck" of having opposing coaches not doing all the things they could have done to maximize their team's chances in the last few plays of a game to pull that game out. Anyway, another week when that undeserving bunch of "We're cheatin'--Let it ride!" fans get to smile, shake their heads and say, "Whores Legal!" (isn't that what they say? I can never quite catch it through their drooling, chaw-stuffed drunken drawl...). Well, so much for "intelligent, balanced discussion"; leave it to me to blow that up...as someone funnier than me once asked, "What's this 'couth' sh*t, anyway?!!"
BTW, I notice that E- and I, though NOT in the FOX SE footprint, CAN get tonight's UAB game online thru' ESPN 3, but the Southeast--Ga., Fla., Ala. and La.--are blacked OUT from getting that free--at "FindInternetTV.com/NCAA Football"--if they somehow don't get their area's FOX SE-feed; of course, there are a number of alternatives for EVERYONE if you want to pay for the same access...I was afraid that this time, after managing to avoid it last year, I would HAVE to go the PAY FOR LIVE STREAMING-route, but not yet it seems, thanks to the site I just named...I MAY break down and get it soon anyway, for the sake of access through my EVO-phone--maybe as soon as tonight if, as friends have warned, I end up with a fairly choppy, constantly "buffering" game-watching experience through my desktop MAC for free; through the "One Time Payment"/Live Streaming-sites you have alternative roadrunner, wifi and bluetooth options, you KNOW you'll see every game and you at least have a better shot at it being passably watchable, no matter what. I just have this thing, some may call it "cheap" but I call it "principled and practical"--anyway, that's my story and I'm stickin' with it (so far). Any comments, questions or feedback in the form of personal experience and/or opinion is welcomed, of course...)
(While I was messing around here, MSU let Auburn slip out of the noose at the end of a game AGAIN, by a NOSE of the football at the goal line! These Tigers are like last year's LSU variety, getting to JUST squeeze by, at least so far. If ever there were a situation where "Karma" (IF you think there is anything to it to begin with--which, like so many other things that remain unproven, I tend to relegate to the "probably superstition but just in case"-category) you'd THINK would come into play, this would be the team--but so far, uh uh...though if you're gonna point to luck, you'd have to point to the "luck" of having opposing coaches not doing all the things they could have done to maximize their team's chances in the last few plays of a game to pull that game out. Anyway, another week when that undeserving bunch of "We're cheatin'--Let it ride!" fans get to smile, shake their heads and say, "Whores Legal!" (isn't that what they say? I can never quite catch it through their drooling, chaw-stuffed drunken drawl...). Well, so much for "intelligent, balanced discussion"; leave it to me to blow that up...as someone funnier than me once asked, "What's this 'couth' sh*t, anyway?!!"
BTW, I notice that E- and I, though NOT in the FOX SE footprint, CAN get tonight's UAB game online thru' ESPN 3, but the Southeast--Ga., Fla., Ala. and La.--are blacked OUT from getting that free--at "FindInternetTV.com/NCAA Football"--if they somehow don't get their area's FOX SE-feed; of course, there are a number of alternatives for EVERYONE if you want to pay for the same access...I was afraid that this time, after managing to avoid it last year, I would HAVE to go the PAY FOR LIVE STREAMING-route, but not yet it seems, thanks to the site I just named...I MAY break down and get it soon anyway, for the sake of access through my EVO-phone--maybe as soon as tonight if, as friends have warned, I end up with a fairly choppy, constantly "buffering" game-watching experience through my desktop MAC for free; through the "One Time Payment"/Live Streaming-sites you have alternative roadrunner, wifi and bluetooth options, you KNOW you'll see every game and you at least have a better shot at it being passably watchable, no matter what. I just have this thing, some may call it "cheap" but I call it "principled and practical"--anyway, that's my story and I'm stickin' with it (so far). Any comments, questions or feedback in the form of personal experience and/or opinion is welcomed, of course...)
Yeah--I wasn't really watching (it was relegated to PIP in my house--and only on THERE 'cause Girlfriend was monitoring it) until she pointed out the 'Horns coming back right at the end; up 'til then it looked like they might drop that one...not impressive, no matter what upbeat spin they're trying to put on it locally...suddenly, you'd think BYU was a perennial BCS contender. No worse than Auburn, though, I guess, if you want to talk about over-hyped, unimpressive "squeakers".
As for Ok ST, they have their own personal "One Man Endowment" Support System, giving unique freedom and perspective: they get to ACT like any of the "Big Boys" financially and mostly make their own decisions, answering basically to one man, whose only condition appears to be: What's best for OSU and the Cowboys? What keeps them competing with the best, at the highest level?
CaliZona_Gator
Super Senior Member
Actually Dru, T. Boone Pickens said that the two Oklahoma schools are a package deal. This was said during the broadcast of the OSU - Arizona game. While watching my former school (Arizona) get smashed, they interviewed Pickens during the entire 3rd quarter.
Those other schools just do not get it. The SEC formula only allows for two schools in the same state if the market can support it. Alabama can support two schools, but my guess is that SEC would rule that Oklahoma can only support one school, unless it carried some SWC rivalries over. Maybe OK and OK State should both petition to join SEC, and we just need to pick up one more.
It sounds like they (the Oklahoma schools) want to join the Pac.
