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An Open Letter to my fellow Gator fans: STOP THE INSANITY!

O-town Gator

Gator Fan
"It ain't necessarily so
It ain't necessarily so
De things dat yo' liable to read in de Bible
It ain't necessarily so"


Dearly beloved Gator Nation:

To paraphrase George and Ira Gershwin in that verse from "Porgy and Bess", don't believe everything you read and hear.

I felt it was necessary to say something about all the silly rumors and innuendo floating around cyberspace right now, especially in response to the Charlie Strong to UCF threads on many message boards and in response to something I read about a quote by Urban Meyer replying to a question on Notre Dame taken way out of context and blown out of proportion by some chicken-little Gator fans who are reading too much into things.

Based on what I've read at the Orlando Sentinel, the rumors about Strong leaving for UCF are untrue, and no statement has been made about their head coach, George O'Leary, being terminated as of this date. There is an ongoing investigation into the recent incident involving a player, and there will also be a review of the training program being used. Mike Bianchi, who many Gator fans know can be a very controversial and sometimes irritating sportswriter (and believe it or not, he's a UF alum) has called for O'Leary's firing in a recent article - but nowhere does he even hint at Strong as a replacement. In her Sentinel blog, Iliana Limon had stated that O'Leary's position will not be made mention of in a news conference later today. Still, somebody decides to spin a story as they seem fit or interpret it, and then all this silliness gets started.

Then to top things off, some clown over at Gator Country starts a rant thread over the following statement Urban Meyer made during a radio interview:

"Host: I think a lot of people were fascinated that you were looking at Notre Dame and the University of Florida and you turned down, what at one time was your dream job. Take us through that again and what was behind your thinking.

Urban: Well, Florida was already in the 11th hour. We met twice with Jeremy Foley and my wife, we were very drawn to Florida. Notre Dame is still my dream job and that hasn't changed. It's just that the time in my life that, to be the head football coach at Notre Dame, you're on the plane recruiting because you recruit San Diego as hard as you recruit New York as hard as you recruit California, Florida, Texas, Ohio...it's a national recruiting base. I recruited there for 6 years and I spent every night in a hotel, in an airport and I'm going to be a good father first.

Once my kids are done, maybe some day I'll go coach. I don't know that, that's way down the road. Being a father and being able to recruit the best athletes in America within a five-hour radius of my home, that's why I came to Florida and I thought we could have a great chance at success."


Meyer was only being forthright and honest in his answer - how can this be viewed as insulting to Gator Nation? I for one (1) see no subtle nuances in what he had said nor (2) have any reason to question Meyer's loyalty and dedication to Gator football; if his committment to the excellence of our program was doubtful, would we be where we are right now? Of course not. As I see it, if Meyer was that gung-ho about pursuing his "dream job" without carefully weighing the pros and cons as he had done back in the fall of 2004, he'd be in South Bend instead of Gainesville right now. I think the world of Coach Meyer and always will; after putting up with three years of mediocrity and disgust under Ron Zook I welcomed the Meyer hire with enthusiasm, and am more than pleased with what he's accomplished over these past four years in Gainesville - they're phenomenal, to say the least. I wouldn't want to see the same thing happen to Meyer that compelled Steve Spurrier to suddenly resign after the 2002 Orange Bowl due, in part, to some of the absurd expectations of the Gator fanbase, and then see another fiasco follow like we experienced with Zook. Still, somebody decides to go spastic in his interpretation of a simple statement, and that's when things go overboard or get blown way out of proportion.

The way I see all this, I'd swear that some of our fanbase, as well as others, are in need of a remedial course in reading comprehension and/or listening skills.

Folks, this is a time when Gator Nation should be in a state of near-rapture at the thought of our heading into another shot at the National Championship after only two years. But, because of all this nonsense floating around, I as well as others are in a rather ornery mood right now. I'm not begrudging anybody to freely state his or her opinion on any topic or issue; however, it only takes a few to spoil things for the rest of us and it doesn't have to be this way.

Fellow Gator fans, enough is enough!

Let's all take a deep breath, and remember: IT'S GREAT TO BE A FLORIDA GATOR!!!!!!
 

gatorsare#1

VIP Member
Despite what you're saying, if we in fact lose to OU, the distractions will be the reason.

I don't care if UM thinks that, but you don't say it to the media, and you certainly don't say it while you're preparing for the national championship game. UF needs to focus full attention on preparing for OU. All UM did was inflame the situation that Mullen started. I wish UM and Charlie Strong would be quiet about this stuff and just prepare for the game. Worry about next year on January 9, not now.
 

O-town Gator

Gator Fan
Despite what you're saying, if we in fact lose to OU, the distractions will be the reason.

I don't care if UM thinks that, but you don't say it to the media, and you certainly don't say it while you're preparing for the national championship game. UF needs to focus full attention on preparing for OU. All UM did was inflame the situation that Mullen started. I wish UM and Charlie Strong would be quiet about this stuff and just prepare for the game. Worry about next year on January 9, not now.

Even Coach Meyer knew it was inevitable that some of his assistants would be hired away to other positions - they also took place after the 2007 season, so I can't say I'm surprised about Dan Mullen being hired by Miss. State, although I do agree that the timing of this hire sucks - especially where we're preparing for the National Championship.

I have no doubts that Meyer and staff will have our guys ready to play on January 8, and that they won't be fazed by all these recent events.

I don't see that Meyer did anything wrong in that interview; had he evaded the issue of that question he would have also faced criticism in the media and cyberspace, and God knows what crap would have been started up afterward.
 

OU_Sooners75

Gator Fan
Despite what you're saying, if we in fact lose to OU, the distractions will be the reason.

So OU would not be the reason?

Gearing up for which excuses you are going to use if you do lose?

I mean it is unfathomable that Florida can even lose to the Sooners since they are being deemed the best ever on ESPiN.
 

O-town Gator

Gator Fan
So OU would not be the reason?

Gearing up for which excuses you are going to use if you do lose?

I mean it is unfathomable that Florida can even lose to the Sooners since they are being deemed the best ever on ESPiN.

If our players are smart, they'll let all this stupidity in the media roll right off their backs and stay focused on the task at hand. Too many people misinterpret the written and spoken word and make mountains out of molehills - that was my point with that post.
 

OU_Sooners75

Gator Fan
If our players are smart, they'll let all this stupidity in the media roll right off their backs and stay focused on the task at hand. Too many people misinterpret the written and spoken word and make mountains out of molehills - that was my point with that post.

Oh trust me, I understand. It is just sad that people actually listen and take heed to the words of people such as Mark May, Todd McShay, and everyone else at ESPiN. ESPN has made clear their agenda.
 

O-town Gator

Gator Fan
Oh trust me, I understand. It is just sad that people actually listen and take heed to the words of people such as Mark May, Todd McShay, ad everyone else at ESPiN.

Somebody could just come out and say "the sky is falling" and you'd have gullible people believing it was true.

Many of these media types IMO are blowhards who seem to like stirring the pot for nothing better to do - Mike Bianchi at the Sentinel especially - just for the sake of trying to capture an audience's attention. Yes, there are those who take what some of these sportswriters say as being gospel instead of just viewing it as their voicing an opinion, and they can't seem to understand that.
 

Leakfan12

VIP Member
So OU would not be the reason?

Gearing up for which excuses you are going to use if you do lose?

I mean it is unfathomable that Florida can even lose to the Sooners since they are being deemed the best ever on ESPiN.

IS ESPN predicting the Gators the favorites? Honestly I don't think there's clear cut favorites though I want Florida to win. Someone in the media please doubt the Gators please.
 

MahxFahn

Gator Fan
IS ESPN predicting the Gators the favorites? Honestly I don't think there's clear cut favorites though I want Florida to win. Someone in the media please doubt the Gators please.
A 3 point favorite is like saying it's a tossup and giving the bettors something to lay money on. I wonder how much that will change once it's known if Mullen will be on the sideline or not.
 

Mr2Bits

Gator Fan
I have no problem with what Meyer said in the radio interview. Sure it would have been awesome if he said "I bleed orange and blue and want to be here forever", but that's not Meyer being real. He told the truth. Notre Dame is his dream job and he MAY want to coach there someday when his kids grow up.

I think Meyer's youngest kid is like 10! Thats like 8 more years of Meyer. Having a coach at one job for 10-15 years is a LOOONGGG time these days.

I'm thankful with everything Meyer has brought to this program. Even if he loses to Oklahoma, he has still won 2 SECs and a NC and that gives him the right to leave whenever her wants.

But make no mistake about Meyer's comments. He very well could be playing Florida by saying this. If he wins the NC this year, Meyer will command a 10 year contract and Florida will break the bank for him. By bringing up Notre Dame, he's putting the ball in his court for contract negotiations with UF.
 

OU_Sooners75

Gator Fan
IS ESPN predicting the Gators the favorites? Honestly I don't think there's clear cut favorites though I want Florida to win. Someone in the media please doubt the Gators please.

There has been one that I did read that said OU would win...and it probably wouldnt be pretty.

From The Sporting News.

Sizing up the BCS Championship Game
by Jeff Frank, Sports Analyst

Philadelphia, PA (Sports Network) - It's easy to see why Florida and Oklahoma will be meeting for the BCS Championship. The Gators and Sooners finished a full touchdown ahead of third-place USC in the final regular season Jeff Frank Top 10 Poll.

Florida ended the year with a 116.5 power rating, one point ahead of Oklahoma. USC was a distant third at 108.5, with Texas right behind the Trojans at 108.

The Gators, who have held the top spot for the last seven weeks, showed why they belong in Miami on January 8, as they came from behind to defeat Alabama, 31-20, in the SEC Championship, a game the Gators played without star wide receiver Percy Harvin. The Crimson Tide led by three points heading into the fourth quarter, but Tim Tebow took control engineering two long touchdown drives, and the defense held Alabama to one total yard in the final stanza for the 11-point win.

It was a huge ATS win for the Gators, who ended up covering the spread by a single point after being on the other side of the ATS ledger for 57 of the 60 minutes. The loss of Harvin was significant not only in the margin of victory but for the over/under total, as the only "over" bettors who came out on the winning side were those that wagered very early in the week.

In the Big 12 matchup, Oklahoma continued its offensive assault with a 62-21 thrashing of Missouri. The Sooners, who have scored 60 or more points in five straight games, have gone over the total in nine consecutive contests and 11 of the 12 lined games this season.

Oklahoma is now 6-0 both SU and ATS in its last six games with a 10-2 overall ATS mark. Florida has been just as impressive against the spread this year at 10-1-1, including eight straight ATS wins. However, only one of the two teams will be able to gain ATS victory number 11.


AN EARLY LOOK AT FLORIDA-OKLAHOMA

Can the SEC pick up its third straight BCS Championship, both straight up and against the spread? Florida dusted off Ohio State 41-14 to win the title two seasons ago as a 7.5-point underdog, while favored LSU kept the trophy within the conference with its 38-24 stomping of the Buckeyes last year.

This year could be the toughest of the three, since the 2008 Oklahoma Sooners are the highest-scoring team in the history of college football. Since losing to Texas on October 11, the Sooners have averaged 60 points per game. The defense has given up of 29 per contest during that span, but how much of that matters when the offense can more than double that amount?

Since the Big 12 has some of the finest offenses in the country, Oklahoma's defense will not be seeing anything new from Florida. On the other hand, the Gators could be hard-pressed to hold the Sooners down, since the bulk of the teams they have faced have been exceptionally offensively challenged.

Florida's defense is ranked fifth in the country, but the main reason the Gators hold such a high position is due to the lack of offensive firepower within their own league. Seven of the 12 clubs averaged 22 points or less, and that's not because the teams in the SEC play amazing defense. Eight of the other 11 squads besides Florida averaged fewer offensive points per game this season compared to last year, while the entire league scoring defense has improved by only three points.

Another interesting nugget from the SEC shows that just three of the 16 quarterbacks with 100 attempts or more recorded a QB rating of 124 or higher. By comparison, only one quarterback in the Big 12 finished with a lower number, Colorado's Cody Hawkins, and Oklahoma didn't even get to face him. Nor did the Sooners have a chance to lower the rating of the next-to-last ranked quarterback, Iowa State's Austen Arnaud.

Florida, on the other hand, had the luxury of matching up against lackluster signal-callers for most of the season, especially later in the year as four of the last six FBS teams the Gators faced not only went with a tandem at the quarterback spot, but the combined QB rating of those eight quarterbacks is a paltry 107.5.

One misconception about the Big 12 is that not a single team plays any defense. However, only five of the 12 clubs allowed more points this season vs. 2007 and on top of that, Oklahoma gave up just 21 points to both Texas Tech and Missouri, two teams that averaged over 40 points per game this year and finished in the top six in the country in scoring.

Even though the Gators defeated five teams that were ranked in the Top 25 at the time of the game, only two (Georgia and Alabama) remained in the poll at the end of the regular season. By comparison, the Sooners knocked off five teams that made the final Top 25 and the club they lost to on a neutral field finished number three, while the team that beat Florida - in Gainesville - ended up 20th.

This game pits the top two teams from the nation's two best conferences. Unfortunately for Florida, the number one club from the SEC will not be able to match scores with the best team from the superior league. And as a bargain, since the game is being played in the state of Florida, the Sooners are actually getting a field goal.

Take Oklahoma plus the points.
 

O-town Gator

Gator Fan
I have no problem with what Meyer said in the radio interview. Sure it would have been awesome if he said "I bleed orange and blue and want to be here forever", but that's not Meyer being real. He told the truth. Notre Dame is his dream job and he MAY want to coach there someday when his kids grow up.

I think Meyer's youngest kid is like 10! Thats like 8 more years of Meyer. Having a coach at one job for 10-15 years is a LOOONGGG time these days.

I'm thankful with everything Meyer has brought to this program. Even if he loses to Oklahoma, he has still won 2 SECs and a NC and that gives him the right to leave whenever her wants.

But make no mistake about Meyer's comments. He very well could be playing Florida by saying this. If he wins the NC this year, Meyer will command a 10 year contract and Florida will break the bank for him. By bringing up Notre Dame, he's putting the ball in his court for contract negotiations with UF.

Good point. Meyer and his family seem to be very happy in Gainesville, and I wouldn't want to see us lose him over something like the unrealistic expectations of some fans. If he wasn't happy, the enthusiasm would be missing and he would have bailed on us.

Meyer mentioned that Notre Dame was a "dream" for him from Day One, so why should his comments during that interview come as a shock to anyone? Perhaps they weren't paying attention. This is also mentioned in Buddy Martin's bio "Urban's Way", BUT - Meyer also had an appreciation for Florida Football, especially during the Spurrier years - lest anybody forgot. He also made mention of this right from the start.

Regardless of whether or not we win the NC, I say pay Meyer what he's worth and hope that our athletic department does all they can to make sure he stays in Gainesville - as far as I'm concerned he's earned it.

Some of our fanbase needs to cut all this crap and get a life. These fools make the rest of us look ridiculous.

(P.S. A side note to all these rumor-mongers: Knock it off. Don't go looking for smoke where there's no fire.)
 

I Miss Sonny's

Gator Fan
Wow...

After reading this, I am tempted to actually participate in a Gator message board. My unfortunate opinion of the other boards is that they tend to attract a lot of hate-filled, fairly ignorant fans. Maybe I'm being tough on them, but it's hard to find many rational threads out there.

Great post there, O-town. Maybe I'll stick around a little.


Go Gators.

"It ain't necessarily so
It ain't necessarily so
De things dat yo' liable to read in de Bible
It ain't necessarily so"


Dearly beloved Gator Nation:

To paraphrase George and Ira Gershwin in that verse from "Porgy and Bess", don't believe everything you read and hear.

I felt it was necessary to say something about all the silly rumors and innuendo floating around cyberspace right now, especially in response to the Charlie Strong to UCF threads on many message boards and in response to something I read about a quote by Urban Meyer replying to a question on Notre Dame taken way out of context and blown out of proportion by some chicken-little Gator fans who are reading too much into things.

Based on what I've read at the Orlando Sentinel, the rumors about Strong leaving for UCF are untrue, and no statement has been made about their head coach, George O'Leary, being terminated as of this date. There is an ongoing investigation into the recent incident involving a player, and there will also be a review of the training program being used. Mike Bianchi, who many Gator fans know can be a very controversial and sometimes irritating sportswriter (and believe it or not, he's a UF alum) has called for O'Leary's firing in a recent article - but nowhere does he even hint at Strong as a replacement. In her Sentinel blog, Iliana Limon had stated that O'Leary's position will not be made mention of in a news conference later today. Still, somebody decides to spin a story as they seem fit or interpret it, and then all this silliness gets started.

Then to top things off, some clown over at Gator Country starts a rant thread over the following statement Urban Meyer made during a radio interview:

"Host: I think a lot of people were fascinated that you were looking at Notre Dame and the University of Florida and you turned down, what at one time was your dream job. Take us through that again and what was behind your thinking.

Urban: Well, Florida was already in the 11th hour. We met twice with Jeremy Foley and my wife, we were very drawn to Florida. Notre Dame is still my dream job and that hasn't changed. It's just that the time in my life that, to be the head football coach at Notre Dame, you're on the plane recruiting because you recruit San Diego as hard as you recruit New York as hard as you recruit California, Florida, Texas, Ohio...it's a national recruiting base. I recruited there for 6 years and I spent every night in a hotel, in an airport and I'm going to be a good father first.

Once my kids are done, maybe some day I'll go coach. I don't know that, that's way down the road. Being a father and being able to recruit the best athletes in America within a five-hour radius of my home, that's why I came to Florida and I thought we could have a great chance at success."


Meyer was only being forthright and honest in his answer - how can this be viewed as insulting to Gator Nation? I for one (1) see no subtle nuances in what he had said nor (2) have any reason to question Meyer's loyalty and dedication to Gator football; if his committment to the excellence of our program was doubtful, would we be where we are right now? Of course not. As I see it, if Meyer was that gung-ho about pursuing his "dream job" without carefully weighing the pros and cons as he had done back in the fall of 2004, he'd be in South Bend instead of Gainesville right now. I think the world of Coach Meyer and always will; after putting up with three years of mediocrity and disgust under Ron Zook I welcomed the Meyer hire with enthusiasm, and am more than pleased with what he's accomplished over these past four years in Gainesville - they're phenomenal, to say the least. I wouldn't want to see the same thing happen to Meyer that compelled Steve Spurrier to suddenly resign after the 2002 Orange Bowl due, in part, to some of the absurd expectations of the Gator fanbase, and then see another fiasco follow like we experienced with Zook. Still, somebody decides to go spastic in his interpretation of a simple statement, and that's when things go overboard or get blown way out of proportion.

The way I see all this, I'd swear that some of our fanbase, as well as others, are in need of a remedial course in reading comprehension and/or listening skills.

Folks, this is a time when Gator Nation should be in a state of near-rapture at the thought of our heading into another shot at the National Championship after only two years. But, because of all this nonsense floating around, I as well as others are in a rather ornery mood right now. I'm not begrudging anybody to freely state his or her opinion on any topic or issue; however, it only takes a few to spoil things for the rest of us and it doesn't have to be this way.

Fellow Gator fans, enough is enough!

Let's all take a deep breath, and remember: IT'S GREAT TO BE A FLORIDA GATOR!!!!!!
 

O-town Gator

Gator Fan
After reading this, I am tempted to actually participate in a Gator message board. My unfortunate opinion of the other boards is that they tend to attract a lot of hate-filled, fairly ignorant fans. Maybe I'm being tough on them, but it's hard to find many rational threads out there.

The sad part is that these loose-cannon sportswriters start most of this trouble with rumors and the way they interpret what they read and hear, and the fans whom they've captured as an audience can't seem to catch on to their tactics. I've heard so much of this Notre Dame nonsense lately that now it's beyond nauseating.

Screw the media as far as I'm concerned. Much to their disdain, Charlie Weis will be the head coach at Notre Dame in 2009, NOT Urban Meyer - so they better deal with it.
 

O-town Gator

Gator Fan
More food for thought......

Another aspect to think about: when all these rumors and false stories are spread around both by fans and the media, they could potentially have a negative effect on our recruiting - something many don't stop to realize. If things ever get to the point that a football recruit is dissuaded from committing to UF because of something he read or heard, then it ceases to be funny.

Loose lips sink ships, folks. NEVER open your mouths until you KNOW what the shot is.
 

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