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It's official: Elway is pissing me off!!!!!!!!
- Thread starter Leakfan12
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Don't even get me started on this one--and all the Colin Cowturd-type, anti-Tebow/pro-Elway suck-ups are jumping on board, saying how the Broncos are "only a good-quarterback away" from being a "true contender"--conveniently ignoring how TT was running for his life throughout that whole stretch last season, that his being able to DO that, and either find a receiver or make positive yards running, is the reason that offense was able to win as many games as it DID in the first place.
It sounds like wishful thinking on these fools' part in any event: I gotta think Peyton Manning is smarter than that, allowing himself to be used in that fashion by a manipulative, short-sited Elway. Why risk getting creamed on a team whose offense is missing some pieces yet (Tim helped to hide much of that), in a town that gets a real winter and plays outdoors, and in front of a crowd that forced the stubborn idiots in charge to play the current young QB in the first place? Right or wrong, they'll be hollering for Peyton's blood in a MOMENT should he start the year getting hurried and/or sacked repeatedly, unable to get untracked, as is entirely possible. Why risk ANY of that, when you have MUCH more promising circumstances, better climates with better teams with great fans waiting for you with no controversy, as is the case in both Houston AND Miami.
With a home already in Miami, Peyton might already be leaning that way...the fact that they're likely willing to break open the bank-vault to bring him in won't hurt either. They really don't want to blow THIS hire, if they can help it, I'm sure.
I would be okay with it if Manning mentored Timmy. Besides, Peyton is one QB sack away from retirement. Judging by the offensive line that Denver fielded last year, Peyton would be injured by week two.
The more I think about it, the more your scenario of Peyton getting reinjured relatively soon seems possible, even likely. Beyond that, how much evidence do we really have of his present level-of-recovery and strength, anyway? Might be some overly-optimistic "wishful thinking" there, as well...
In that light, the "winners" here may well turn out to be everyone who DOESN'T get him in the current competition. I believe Elway intends to use this (ie. bringing in Manning) as his opportunity to get RID of TT, wash his hands of the whole thing once and for all: HIS gamble will be that Peyton will make the fans forget all about Tebow the next 2 or 3 years--but that #15 will be GONE, either way. As for Tim himself, though he will thereby miss the chance at "mentoring from one of the greats", there IS the possibility at least that he is traded (or otherwise finds his way) to a team with a coach who has more vision, leeway, and the WILL to build an offense around him. Given the right situation, we could witness the complete embarrassment of John Elway, presiding over the total collapse of the Broncos in the next few years, contrasted with Tim Tebow, and the team he goes to, rising to contention amid great excitement and fanfare.
I highly doubt Peyton will survive an entire season on any team. Four neck surgeries. Four. He throws fine now without pads, but once the pads go on and the red jersey comes off he will be one hit away from retirement. Those happy feet might be a better timing mechanism for Tebow--shuffle, shuffle, throw. Commanding the offense from the pocket may be out of Timmy's capabilities, but he could still learn how to read a defense. If there is a conspiracy plan by Elway to get rid of Tebow, I doubt it will work.
This morning on ESPN Radio, pretty much everyone thinks Tebow will go to Jacksonville for Gabbert and some draft picks. Maybe I am wrong and Timmy's days in Denver are numbered. This was the same ESPN Radio crew that predicted RG3 to Washington if they traded up in the draft with the Rams.
I've decided not to worry about it anymore, either way--I think your analysis of Peyton's vulnerability is right on, that for this and other (related) reasons Denver may well be the WORST place he could go, and if he falls for Elway's bluster (and rather transparent effort to pass the buck AND get rid of Tebow in one fell swoop), then it's on HIM...
Meanwhile, it may ALL be just over-hyped media "smoke and mirrors" anyway--it's the only thing that's out there so far regarding this deal, a lot of self-serving big-mouths are all over it but how much do THEY really know? I DO think that Denver signing PM and KEEPING Tebow to be "mentored" by him is the one thing that WON'T happen--that's not Elway's plan, and I doubt it appeals to Manning much either--I mean, nice thought, but we're dealing with all kinds of large and subtle emotional forces here, and neither careful logic nor thoughtful, long-range thinking appear to be among them.
I'm with you, but it looks like the Dolphins are out of the picture now, focusing on some other, younger guy, if ANY of the screendoor-like leaks are to be taken into account...Meanwhile, this whole "tour", supposedly at Peyton's insistence as far as the "work-outs" are concerned (that it's HE who insists that he does this in various cities to "keep the process open, transparent, and fair"), while supposedly at least 3 teams are ready to sign him to lavish offer-sheets WITHOUT such work, and regardless of their details, shuffles on. Wasn't there supposed to be some self-imposed "deadline" on Manning's part, a decision by earlier this week, as I recall? It's not at all clear who's BS'ing WHO anymore.
San Francisco is the team most likely to get to a Super Bowl with Peyton. Alex Smith is a free agent. If they can afford Peyton price tag under the salary cap, I can see the 49ers with a Vince Lombardi trophy next year.
IF he really is and can STAY healthy, you may well be right: I can see that 49er team making a strong, season-long bid for an NFL Championship with a fresh and confident Peyton Manning directing the offense--on a squad with already tough, young defense, balance and depth all over the field. They have a big and mobile O-line, too, and if PM has the tools and the time to execute his game plan throughout the season, they will be a force to be reckoned with.
They are the supposed "darkhorse", though--Denver and Tennessee have been more aggressively public in their efforts to "close the deal", and of course the media follows and amplifies the loudest fanfare, "the conventional wisdom" of "where there's smoke there's fire". Amazing how often they're wrong, though, know what I'm saying?
FrozenGator
Gator Fan
ESPN was reporting Manning's most likely signing with Denver. Hopefully there's some vision for the team and Tebow remains as a (admittedly very highly paid) backup who can take the time and opportunity to learn from one of the greats, and handle the short stuff. Remember when he was doing that same thing for Leak? That was beautiful....
DO NOT COMPARE PEYTON AND TEBOW WITH LEAK AND TEBOW. Leak was a senior and Tebow was a freshman, it was still LEAK'S TEAM ask anyone from that 2006 team even Tebow would said the same thing. Tebow wasn't going to replace Leak that 2006 season. Manning is.
FrozenGator
Gator Fan
Sweet cracker sandwich, man! I wasn't suggesting anything of the sort. I love Chris Leak - cheered for him to succeed like crazy up here (just not against my team) - and wasn't suggesting Tebow could have taken Leak's spot then.
My point was (and is) that, just as Tebow learned how to run the offense during those years, and Leak took the majority of the snaps while Tebow did what he was great at, so to might Manning take the lead in Denver, and this would allow Tebow the opportunity to learn from a great QB, and develop into his potential.
Yeesh... dial back the caffeine, dude.
Personally, smart, flexible and effective tho' it might be, I can't see Peyton going for the idea of a "Tebow-in-the-Red-Zone" option, or worse, a full-on "Wild-Bronco" offense to "spell him in certain situations"--and Elway even LESS: He wants Tim OUT of the picture, not front-and-center, reminding the fans how good he can be and that he's waiting there on the bench if things don't go so well for Manning early on.
Either way, I have to believe the "other shoe" hasn't fallen in this deal yet...Not that I think the IDEA of Manning mentoring Tebow is a bad one or couldn't benefit Tim AND the Broncos-team, but Elway has clearly had it in mind to DITCH Tebow all along, and the idea that this could end up being just a "stop gap", that injury or (just as bad, from Little Johnie's POV) a couple of patient years "learning from the great" or (worst of ALL) less-than-dazzling play from PM could lead inevitably, sooner or later to the crowds screaming for TT's re-ascension to that "Hero and Savior of the Broncos"-role, is anathema to the Denver GM. It's an absolutely unacceptable outcome hanging on his horizon, one that this move is as much about quashing in the first place as it is about "what's good for the Broncos".
After all, even the most optimistic outlook has them building a team in Denver that will be rounding into form just about the time Manning's MAYBE 2-to-3 years of healthy return to near-pre-injury level-of-efficiency and athleticism is running out--and THEN only with a true "full recovery", AND barring further injury. Furthermore, the question must be asked:
How much confidence can one have with their one vulnerable, never-very-mobile asset on-the-run from an NFL-wide "get-the-QB-gameplan", and with that "matador O-line" of theirs--you know, "Ole!"--the only thing to supposedly "protect" him???). No, Elway has GOT to move Tim out of there entirely, the sooner the better for this small-minded, bitterly selfish and short-sited little man. There can be no "Back-To-Tebow" option if/when any part of this gamble/experiment/hype-fest turns sour; there are just too many ways this could all go south in a hurry, after all, and Little Johnie really WOULD choose a "collapse-with-excuses" over ANY kind of "I was a fool but Tim Tebow saved my @$$"-story.
So, meanwhile what are the various OTHER possibilities? With many of the "options and scenarios" closing out even before this one finally dropped, it gets harder to see now where it all could lead...Flynn's no longer on-the-board, Alex Smith is still "unhappy" that the 49ers even entered the Manning-fray, but as a free-agent, enough dollars thrown at the problem may well mollify him--if I were the Dolphins, I'd try to beat SF to the punch with a BIG offer (they have NEVER been in the Tebow-hunt--they are committed to a certain kind of offense, and TT needs a team and coach who are willing to build around him). What are some of the possibilities y'all see out there now--even obscure, more off-the-wall ones--for Tim, the Florida teams, etc.? No matter what, whatever maneuvering room is left across the League will close out with the next big move, as the rest of the dominoes inevitably fall...
Either way, I have to believe the "other shoe" hasn't fallen in this deal yet...Not that I think the IDEA of Manning mentoring Tebow is a bad one or couldn't benefit Tim AND the Broncos-team, but Elway has clearly had it in mind to DITCH Tebow all along, and the idea that this could end up being just a "stop gap", that injury or (just as bad, from Little Johnie's POV) a couple of patient years "learning from the great" or (worst of ALL) less-than-dazzling play from PM could lead inevitably, sooner or later to the crowds screaming for TT's re-ascension to that "Hero and Savior of the Broncos"-role, is anathema to the Denver GM. It's an absolutely unacceptable outcome hanging on his horizon, one that this move is as much about quashing in the first place as it is about "what's good for the Broncos".
After all, even the most optimistic outlook has them building a team in Denver that will be rounding into form just about the time Manning's MAYBE 2-to-3 years of healthy return to near-pre-injury level-of-efficiency and athleticism is running out--and THEN only with a true "full recovery", AND barring further injury. Furthermore, the question must be asked:
How much confidence can one have with their one vulnerable, never-very-mobile asset on-the-run from an NFL-wide "get-the-QB-gameplan", and with that "matador O-line" of theirs--you know, "Ole!"--the only thing to supposedly "protect" him???). No, Elway has GOT to move Tim out of there entirely, the sooner the better for this small-minded, bitterly selfish and short-sited little man. There can be no "Back-To-Tebow" option if/when any part of this gamble/experiment/hype-fest turns sour; there are just too many ways this could all go south in a hurry, after all, and Little Johnie really WOULD choose a "collapse-with-excuses" over ANY kind of "I was a fool but Tim Tebow saved my @$$"-story.
So, meanwhile what are the various OTHER possibilities? With many of the "options and scenarios" closing out even before this one finally dropped, it gets harder to see now where it all could lead...Flynn's no longer on-the-board, Alex Smith is still "unhappy" that the 49ers even entered the Manning-fray, but as a free-agent, enough dollars thrown at the problem may well mollify him--if I were the Dolphins, I'd try to beat SF to the punch with a BIG offer (they have NEVER been in the Tebow-hunt--they are committed to a certain kind of offense, and TT needs a team and coach who are willing to build around him). What are some of the possibilities y'all see out there now--even obscure, more off-the-wall ones--for Tim, the Florida teams, etc.? No matter what, whatever maneuvering room is left across the League will close out with the next big move, as the rest of the dominoes inevitably fall...
Sweet cracker sandwich, man! I wasn't suggesting anything of the sort. I love Chris Leak - cheered for him to succeed like crazy up here (just not against my team) - and wasn't suggesting Tebow could have taken Leak's spot then.
My point was (and is) that, just as Tebow learned how to run the offense during those years, and Leak took the majority of the snaps while Tebow did what he was great at, so to might Manning take the lead in Denver, and this would allow Tebow the opportunity to learn from a great QB, and develop into his potential.
Yeesh... dial back the caffeine, dude.
Mmmm...sweet cracker sandwiches.....
Peyton will not last a full season without injury. Denver can still afford to keep both quarterbacks, with Timmy learning from one of the greatest. Timmy can also run wild in Jacksonville. He could also plop right into the New England offense and learn under Brady using many plays borrowed from Urban Meyer.
OK--I WAS cringing a bit there (I THINK you two missed each others' points there, Lf/FG, and I WAS gonna just leave it alone) but now y'all have got me laughing! (Thanks E-...)
The latter has more likelihood, AND would be a better outcome for TT in terms of trust, good faith and positive intent (isn't the coach who originally drafted him now a Patriot offensive coach?), than the first one here (ie. Denver keeping both), for all the reasons I've already mentioned here and on the other "Manning to Broncos"-thread. That one in the middle, Tebow-to-Jacksonville, has ALWAYS been out there, making sense from the financial, putting-fans-in-seats outlook (I just heard that little pencil-necked weasel with the glasses and big ears who covers the pros for ESPN saying something about bringing in Tebow "disturbing the Blaine Gabbert development and strategy"...I mean, is he SERIOUS? Are they?), but for whatever reason has always and repeatedly been rejected by that franchise, even as they slide closer and closer to a full-on move-the-whole-organization city-change...then again, the Dolphins can't keep THEIR drafty dump, uh, I mean large utilitarian stadium, even half-full in ANY event, and have NEVER shown the slightest interest in making TT their own, even with all those Gator-alumni living and working down at that more-populous end of "America's Wang" ("Hey, look at a map..." Simpsons' joke--sorry...), so why would they suddenly change that approach now?
I'll say it again here: I REALLY want TT to get into the right situation, now more than EVER. There is every opportunity for one of the most deliciously sweet come-uppances in the modern history of sports on the horizon here. To wit, Peyton Manning, by his own choice and bewildering breakdown in logic and good judgment, goes to the one place all the possible dangers line up against him, entrusting his "Swan Song" to the towering ego of John Elway who, in one of the stunningly short-sited AND motivated-by-emotional-jealousy moves of all time in the annals of managerial foolishness, puts his sole EGG in the rickety basket he AND his champion are now stuck with and tied to, along with each other, and we all get to wait and watch as it likely flies apart in any one or combination of built-in pitfalls...Meanwhile, the "Hero" he jettisoned (at, let's face it, the full knowledge and behest of his "new" QB--who gets to step back with raised eyebrows and say things like, "It's a management decision"--as if THAT will protect him from the fans if/when he DOESN'T make them "Instant World-Beaters", any better than that Swiss Cheese O-line will protect him from a League full of defenders coming for his NECK), Tim quietly and patiently DOES carry on his growth and unstoppable, charismatic rise elsewhere, that eventual even-greater-success now always to be the background and widely-noted counterpoint to Elway's Shakespearian failure.
Remember to enjoy every juicy moment of it, when it comes.
