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Jim McElwain's Contract Through 2022 (Muschamp Clause)

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Like it or not, Gator fans, Mac is our ball coach through 2022, partially due to the "Muschamp Clause". In 2014, UF fired Muschamp with $6.3M buyout, due in three installments in 2015, 2016, and 2017. Auburn hired Muschamp in 2014 with a $1.5M buyout, and he left Auburn in 2015 for South Carolina and entered a 5-year deal that runs from 2016 to 2021. From 2016 to 2017, Muschamp collects pay from UF, Auburn, and SC totaling about $6M per year.

In 2015 Mac signed a six-year contract through 2021 at about $3.5M per year, with UF buying out $7M of his contract with CSU. In 2016 he earned a 1-year extension.

The way Mac's "Muschamp Clause" buyout works as follows:
  • 2017: McElwain $3.25M to UF; CSU would receive $2M.
  • 2018: McElwain $3M to UF; CSU would receive $1.5M.
  • 2019: McElwain $2.5M to UF; CSU would receive $1M.
  • 2020: McElwain $2M to UF; CSU would receive $500k.
  • 2021: McElwain $1.5M.
These figures make it hard for Mac to be fired until maybe 2021, because Mac would have to surrender a portion of the money to CSU. UF also has to play CSU before 2020 and pay them $2M more for that privilege. Granted, UF was willing to fork over $6M for Muschamp after firing him, but that is "affordable" at $2M per year. Mac would have to perform rather poorly in order for Florida to cut him before 2020, not counting NCAA violations or federal crimes.
 

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Like it or not, Gator fans, Mac is our ball coach through 2022, partially due to the "Muschamp Clause". In 2014, UF fired Muschamp with $6.3M buyout, due in three installments in 2015, 2016, and 2017. Auburn hired Muschamp in 2014 with a $1.5M buyout, and he left Auburn in 2015 for South Carolina and entered a 5-year deal that runs from 2016 to 2021. From 2016 to 2017, Muschamp collects pay from UF, Auburn, and SC totaling about $6M per year.

In 2015 Mac signed a six-year contract through 2021 at about $3.5M per year, with UF buying out $7M of his contract with CSU. In 2016 he earned a 1-year extension.

The way Mac's "Muschamp Clause" buyout works as follows:
  • 2017: McElwain $3.25M to UF; CSU would receive $2M.
  • 2018: McElwain $3M to UF; CSU would receive $1.5M.
  • 2019: McElwain $2.5M to UF; CSU would receive $1M.
  • 2020: McElwain $2M to UF; CSU would receive $500k.
  • 2021: McElwain $1.5M.
These figures make it hard for Mac to be fired until maybe 2021, because Mac would have to surrender a portion of the money to CSU. UF also has to play CSU before 2020 and pay them $2M more for that privilege. Granted, UF was willing to fork over $6M for Muschamp after firing him, but that is "affordable" at $2M per year. Mac would have to perform rather poorly in order for Florida to cut him before 2020, not counting NCAA violations or federal crimes.
...and speaking of "depressing", that's even WORSE than our being #3 in "injuries and suspensions". Are we run by IDIOTS???
 

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...and speaking of "depressing", that's even WORSE than our being #3 in "injuries and suspensions". Are we run by IDIOTS???

It is tempting to say the AD is an idiot, but I will come to their defense and say that coaching at Florida is hard and finding the right coach is even harder. Charley Pell, Steve Spurrier, and Urban Meyer were excellent coaching hires by then athletic directors Bill Carr, Bill Arnsparger, and Jeremy Foley. The hope is that the pattern holds up and Jim McElwain turns into a Pell/ Spurrier/ Meyer and not a Zook/ Muschamp, or Muschamp part 2.
 

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still think so? be lucky to make it thru the season. UGA is gonna wallpaper a house with y'all..He will be gone soon after that massive loss

Yes. Mac gets a bye on wins and losses due to three factors: 1. Cost of firing him being $12.5M 2. Mac winning the SEC East in his first two years 3. Injuries and suspensions.

Try not to focus too much on the losses, especially if we are talking one year. I am not saying this is what makes sense to you or me, but this is how athletic directors think--in terms of cost.

The catch here is that Mac may get himself into trouble if he is withholding information from the school concerning the death threats that he mentioned in a press conference.
 

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It is tempting to say the AD is an idiot, but I will come to their defense and say that coaching at Florida is hard and finding the right coach is even harder. Charley Pell, Steve Spurrier, and Urban Meyer were excellent coaching hires by then athletic directors Bill Carr, Bill Arnsparger, and Jeremy Foley. The hope is that the pattern holds up and Jim McElwain turns into a Pell/ Spurrier/ Meyer and not a Zook/ Muschamp, or Muschamp part 2.
Mmmm...That was (mostly) hyperbole on my part at the time--the "idiots" part, anyway. I WAS voicing my own appraisal of what we got for what we paid--and above all that over-the-top EXTREME "buyout-clause" (I don't care WHAT the "mitigating rationales" for getting someone to coach here: MAN, that is a big number, and the man was getting a big jump up in class AND pay already...in bargaining terms, it was a foolish result: The AD blew his strong position--and put US in a hole. We were, ARE still UF, and his responsibility to the program and school was apparently ignored for reasons only the AD really knows (as opposed to what he says--or TELLS HIMSELF-- not necessarily the same thing, btw...There weren't, aren't more than 2 or 3 current coaches for whom that kind of inducement might be warranted; MacElwaine isn't one of 'em, and the school he was at wasn't in UF's class--never will be.
He looked like he MIGHT be among "the next really good ones", I have to concede that, but still more OUR risk than his all things considered--as events and growing collection of problems and results are showing.
Look, we are now doing the "20/20 hindsight" thing--but this "clause" itself is now seemingly a factor, possibly even a decisive one, in BLOCKING our moving on to eventually retrieve our program, while leaving him wealthy and with a whole lot more and better choices than he would've had otherwise even after failing--his NEXT job may be "a step down" from UF, but likely still "a step UP" from where he was before...like about where he shoulda gone in the first place, as it turns out, "imho". WE just learned it the HARD say--but still, it is unconscionable that our AD saw fit to unnecessarily hamstring US in this way. Stupid is stupid.
However, we are SO dependent now on getting "the right guy" NEXT time that at this point I'm hoping the REAL folks who "press the button" on that decision truly understand the big-picture situation.
If "that guy", the one we are certain we HAVE to get, isn't out there and gettable, then it doesn't MATTER if we give Mac another season--might as well "let it ride, one more time!" with Mac: The "clause" just becomes one MORE reason not to force the issue yet. But moment the consensus "ONE GUY" is out there, we make it happen--no matter how big or how MANY "bullets" there are to bite.
 

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I think it may be the end for Mac. I’m feeling excited!!!
Well, it may be really happening after all.
Word is they are seriously considering firing him "for Cause"-- a legal out which potentially also negates that "clause" that complicated any Coaching-change in a number of ways--not least financially...And the really cool part (chortle chortle!) is that it appears Mac has brought this on HIMSELF, with his own lying mouth! We have come to see how he tends to lie in large and small ways, by invention and omission and countless instances whenever it suits him, and/or whatever advantage or inclination-of-the-moment he felt he needed and could get away with. And now it seems he is so used to doing so, and become so comfortably confident in the position he had scratched out for himself, the corner he had let our "braintrust" to previously back themselves into, that he just shot off his mouth again--in this case lying for no good reason BUT to paint a certain public picture of himself-- and IT BIT HIM IN THE ASS, BIG TIME. That's not all of it, by any means, more a "tip of the iceberg" revealing more and more of itself as it splashes and bobs now on the surface, in the light. But now HE'S on the defensive, and whatever wealth, reputation and future work he can salvage may well depend on how fast and agreeable he is in giving the UF program what it needs in terms of "reasonable compromise and a quick resolution".
It's not a done deal yet, by any means--but the door is open to void the contract HE drove, at best force him to "renegotiate" to what will still be for him a nice amount, but nowhere NEAR the time or amounts we would have formerly been on the hook for--and that's only if he went quietly and without much more than "aggreeable discussion". On top of that, it appears our people were and are READY for an opening of some kind, should it present itself. And it HAS, apparently: I don't know anything more than the rumors as to "WHOM???", but talks have already begun with someone they have "long coveted" for our next Coach--and that individual supposedly, for now "can be gotten, and is listening".
Wow. So much happening, and so fast. Just as the bottom appeared to be falling out, too.
Though the media might dwell on it, I doubt the Georgia thrashing itself would be cited as even part of the ostensible "reason", far as the bigger picture is concerned--but it sure didn't/DOESN'T make it HARDER in any way (LOL). That, its context, and the picture of him smirking post-game as he walked off-field today going near-viral on web sports sites together do present a timely framing of "why he's GONE". Have you seen it? WOULD have pissed me off enormously if not for all this, but as it is I only saw it JUST as I was hearing of this storm swirling, now solidifying into real news--and instead got a BIG LAUGH out of it!
 

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...Meanwhile, finding and following this stuff is like a roller coaster ride--at least if you're like myself and some of us here who strongly believe this should have, now has to happen, ASAP--BUT for many practical reasons thought it unlikely to do so for some ruinously long time to come before it finally would.
Like I said above, there is someone in particular the boosters AND AD "really coveted all along" who timing had them missing on when they then turned to MacEllwaine last time, and now think they could get him...Randy Shannon would be named "interim Coach", himself for now, clear on this being JUST that, "for the INTERIM, until The Once and Future Coach takes over at some later, more appropriate time--Thankyou very much, young Mr Shannon, and this shan't be forgotten..."
Are y'all getting a certain likely message here? Maybe I'm reading what I'M hearing all wrong (which after all is backroom 2nd- and 3rd-hand rumor in the first place)--but so far I pull Charlie Strong vibes outta all that.
Meanwhile, on firmer ground of emerging details, it is interesting to learn that for some months there have been growing tensions and a widening rift between MacEllwaine and those in the administration AND behind-the-scenes who brought him here in the first place. It is in a number of areas, but the one I have heard only sparsely in the past but in the last coupla hours has suddenly been mentioned repeatedly: Mac messed with the recruiting-process--which he was supported in by those in the higher reaches of the booster hierarchy--until many of his specific choices didn't pan out, he and the people he brought in whiffed on almost every important (especially 5-star) players we were after, the "reorganization" itself seemed chaotic and disorganized (more about "turf" than shared goals "good for the TEAM and its future"), and overall each class was a little less talented, more disappointing than the one before. Randy Shannon being brought in was something that apparently Mac was more or less forced by those same people among "upper hierarchy" to accept, and there has been an at best "cool relationship" among "Florida people" and "Mac-guy outsiders" ever since.
That isn't all, but it is the clearest, most consistent--and maybe what was in retrospect the first, most importantly spreading crack-in-the-foundation. Only now are we getting a picture of "a house divided on itself"--and you know how that goes:
It "cannot stand".
 

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#FireMcElwain is definitely trending, but the real decision comes down to Scott Stricklin's business decision and whatever the legal team advises him.
 

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Is he gone yet?
How about now?
LOLOL
Hilarious:
I woke up in wee hours for a moment, then for good very early (espec for a Sunday) to the very same two questions...
Coffee now in hand, cinnamon roll before me, I will soon proceed to dig for the latest news in this rapidly developing "change in direction" (to say the least) for our program. Time for somewhat of a (potentially premature?) "Leap of Faith":
First...
Now that it's here, can we all agree that it was/is necessary, however we got here? I'll certainly concede that I didn't see it coming so soon--nor that it would be so sudden and strong. If it proceeds apace, now even gathers momentum (we'll know THAT if and when the annoucement comes today, Mon. morning at the latest), that change and quick turn-around will soon be in full swing, as it MUST BE. In any other scenario, for sure the kind of "bleed for years, then start over AGAIN the same old way", a by-then-hollow remnant of what we once were, filled only by our own regime's hype and predictably upbeat-but-empty claims, it would have been at BEST a very LOOOOONG, difficult road back--with no guarantee it'd go any better than the last 2 efforts. One thing is certain, this was something that was clearly brewing, alternatives planned for--and most of all, the preferred "NEXT Coach" already targeted and at least preliminarily approached...IF this does continue in the way it has so quickly developed thus far, this time there's at least a CHANCE that we can rebound as quickly, our recovery and return to elite status COULD be more along the lines of the one post-Zook, as opposed to post-"everything post-Meyer" (granting of course that like everyone and everything following his "practice-quit" after the '09 debacle in the SEC Championship against the Tide, even MEYER--really "defacto-Addazio"--fell into the category referred to above as "everything post-Meyer"!). It will all depend on who the the next Coach is (see "PS" below). NOT just whom they have targeted (though "best case scenario" is that they had not only already marked their "RIGHT GUY", but that ideally that one TAKES it: Fate has a way of steering things differently than one's ideas about "ideal", after all). But given where we are and seem headed now, versus where we were and seemed to be headed just 24 hrs ago, I think we can say that there's a plan, and relatively speaking, we have considerably more cause for HOPE this morn than we had any right to expect before Mr. MacEllwaine did everyone but himself a favor and shot his mouth off again.

(PS: As I've noted elsewhere, among the first somewhat guard-down, pre-clamp-down "party line" reactions blurted out by the "insiders" I sometimes hit for this sort of insight, there were snippets of not-so-hidden "hints" that I may or may not be reading right even now--but if they mean what I think they might mean (admittedly a pretty damn thin "line of reasoning"), then it may well be that the "target" for next Coach, the supposed "guy we always had our eye on" was/is Charlie Strong.
I won't say that I had him at the TOP of MY "list" (I guess up til now I admittedly leaned towards more of a "gamble for a big payoff", someone like Chip Kelly, who is a great PRO coach but has little recent experience with the college game, let alone coaching and RUNNING a college program, which is clearly a whole diff deal in every way)--BUT: STRONG has been ON my "list" among those current college coaches at the top of said list. Up til now I assumed that between Mac's contract and Charlie's sense of honor (unlike Mac, it seems, Strong really does have one, and listens to it)--after his stint at Texas, not wanting to be the guy that undermined another coach's already troubled situation, AND having himself made a commitment by contract and implication to USF, its administration, the players there AND the recruits HE brought in, that he would "turn around, rebuild and bring a new standard of discipline and success" to them--altogether meaning it seemed that the EARLIEST he'd entertain offers from anyone, even UF (reportedly the one job he had/STILL has a yearning for), until after NEXT season...But I have now been told (and can see for myself is the case to varying degrees) that all of the above and more has either "already been fulfilled" OR been subsequently "rendered moot by circumstances".
We can get him if we want him NOW, it seems.
No Einstein needed to know: we GOTTA get it RIGHT this time. SO true, SO much the case, that maybe it is that alone that gives pause to ANYONE taking the job. Always a high-profile, high-pressure position, perhaps Charlie doesn't want or NEED that much stress after all. After his experiences at Texas, I for one could understand him "settling" for longterm support, trust, and gratitude for what he's already accomplished, the very standards he has already set and can continue at USF. There's the money-gap, but in the final analysis I doubt that will be the thing that decides the question: One reason he probably DOES stand apart from most others is his own standards, the ones I think he sets for himself, his life and goals and those around him. If he goes after something, he expects himself AND everyone who joins him to GO FOR IT, ALL THE WAY--fully and together. Hard NOT to follow someone like that--and if he's "the ONE", and they DO make good that commitment, we'll be the potential beneficiaries:
Gator football ultimately once again flying high.
 

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Make no mistake, Jim McElwain was not fired for losing games. He was fired for lying or misleading the University of Florida officials.
 

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In a perfect world, I would want Charlie Strong plus a hotshot offensive coordinator.

My theory is that McElwain did receive death threats the week that the white supremacists were on campus. Charlie Strong would be a perfect candidate due to his association with UF since the early 1980s, but it would be even that much better to have a black head coach in a time when racism is forced to the forefront of sports, and Gainesville is being pushed into the race discussion thanks to this white supremacist bringing the issue into the headlines.
 

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PPS:
I just finally got to talk to my OTHER "contact" withing the UF Athletic Dept-- and (somewhat embarrassedly, if also HUMOROUSLY in a wa, he has a completely DIFFERENT "take" on the exact same set of "hints" and "leaks" gathering around our team at the moment:
HE says that it is Scott Frost out of UCF, the "OTHER guy" in the state who's turned his team around to now tearing up his conference, who is at LEAST as likely to become the next Coach at UF. As noted, this is based an the same basic stuff that the above word regardimg Strong--except that it is Strong's lingeting reluctance to leave NOW, after the promises he made and tje fact that he supposedly feels those are NOT yet "sufficiently fulfilled" for him to walk away yet...In other words, for Charlie, this may have all suddenly happened "too soon" after all. By this line of rumor/thinking, there HAD been back-channel words exchanged--but these were in "slow rotation", based around the idea that it'd likely come to pass after the 2018 season. Then things suddenly changed and the whole deal was moving much sooner and more quickly than anticipated...The Gator-group had to at least have a "Plan B", that quickly became Frost--and the more they considered everything, apparently, the better he looked/LOOKS.
Now, there is a lot more to all this obviously than the little I'VE been told...But I gotta say that this worries me: It begins to sound more and more like another "hope THIS Latest Media Glamor Boy" shot-in-the dark. Sure, we won't have to pay him as much, and you can bet there'll be no "buy out clause" this time around--not for Frost: HE'LL have "arrived early" get a BIG jump up in salary--but it just FEELS like the UF money guys are not enough considering the real, "big picture" reality of where we are at as a program.
This long slide must end NOW:
Too much time has already passed. We are in a long and deep slide that only someone very good, experienced not just with bigtime college football in Florida and the SEC, but probably with UF in particular if he is to oversee breaking that "slide" (which, if anything, is ACCELERATING right now), but turning it around and starting to build momentum in the opposite direction as quickly as possible.
In my view, it will take MORE than simply "a young up'n'comer with a recent hot hand in a mid-tier Conference" to get this done.
I'm not saying that SCOTT FROST CAN'T do it...only that this move sounds too much like a gamble like the MacEllwaine one. We just don't have enough evidence (for the same reasons and dangers that were there with Mac--not enough experience with him, not enough to go on for us--and we got BITTEN BAD on that one). The similar risk we took 3+ yrs ago have made THIS moment one we CANNOT afford to gamble on getting similarly wrong THIS time.
Of the two, you go after STRONG, BIGTIME!!! If it doesn't happen, well, them you turn back, consider the alternatives again--and THEN make whatever decision is the best given that situation and and requirements.
But for all the reasons I've mentioned here and MORE, "Clear your heads, guys, and FOCUS:"
IT CAN'T BE "STRONG VS FROST". THAT ONE IS A NO-BRAINER. YOU GO AFTER STRONG. HARD.
Frost would be a decent "hope", as a "fall back"...But this time the future of the program, real "hope" and the next 10 YEARS, is on the table. Either get Charlie, if you wanted him "all along" as is rumored, or consider letting Shannon (along with whole program and its fanbase) "take a SEASON for the team" if Charlie won't take the job...Do we have the time, is it fair to ANYONE (Frost included) to hire him to SEE if he works out but (in contract and secret intent) ready to finally GET him if Frost DOESN'T show big signs of "getting it done" within a coupla seasons after all? Or turn to someone like Kelly now if you want to gamble with that future in the first place?
What a mess, potentially. I just doubt Frost is ready--and the complex scenarios these people in our administration and among the power-boosters may be playing with just aren't appropriate to the situation.
I GET the reasons for wanting Strong so badly, seeimg where that may come closest to balancing all the risks--but seeing Frost as an "equal or better" alternative, and mainly because at the moment his TEAM is holding its own in comparing records and overall program-health RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT, and he'd be cheaper you'd have more "upper hand" in negotiations AND getting put of it all if it didn't turn out-- but WHAT ABOUT OUR TURN-AROUND? WHAT ABOUT OUR CURRENT PLUNGE AND THE TIME GOING BY? WHAT ABOUT THE LONGTERM FUTURE OF THE WHOLE PROGRAM???
Who is more likely the better Coach, right now? How much do we have to go on in evaluating each? There was a REASON y'all reportedly had "wanted Strong all along".
Y'all got lucky when Mac blew it, opened the door to get rid of him WITHOUT paying for that asinine mistake with the "buy out". Now SPEND THE MONEY, whatever it might take to get Charlie here now, if you can. Do NOT let money be any part of the reason why we don't.
 

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In a perfect world, I would want Charlie Strong plus a hotshot offensive coordinator.

My theory is that McElwain did receive death threats the week that the white supremacists were on campus. Charlie Strong would be a perfect candidate due to his association with UF since the early 1980s, but it would be even that much better to have a black head coach in a time when racism is forced to the forefront of sports, and Gainesville is being pushed into the race discussion thanks to this white supremacist bringing the issue into the headlines.
You know, despite the fact that that is totally the case, I have to say I hadn't even yet thought about ANY of that.
...which is a GOOD thing, from my POV--kind of a personal "reality check" on the ongoing hope regarding my own "personal state of consciousness": I'm not surprised--that is how I think, was raised (whatever else people think, feel or say about the military, in this country they were eventually WAY ahead on breaking down, then erasing race as a factor in ANYTHING having to do with job, rank or advancement), but as a snapshot of my own practical thinking and behavior as a human being, I am GLAD to in this way, after the fact, inadvertantly note that it ISN'T among first-thought, "conscious consideration" of anything for me--only as an abstract fact to be considered and supported intellectually in order to further a trend that I do understand must continue to move forward.
As for the whole death threat biz, I have a different take: I doubt he DID get ANY personal threats--at this point, havung been called out on it first personally by his AD and other UF administrators, then publically once again and in a much wider context, failed to produce even ONE (on the contrary, by his own actions and the reports of UF officials, the police and media, he blew them AND his claims OFF!).
No , he mighta heard or surmised a general attitude or even 3rd-hand report/rumor that SOMEONE had gotten SOMETHING--but I think he just shot his mouth off because it suited some kind of image he wanted of himself out there at that moment, and he THOUGHT he just COULD: He has done that sort of thing repeatedly in context of other much smaller, football-only and/or for-sports-media-only situations--and somehow, in his arrogance, at that moment didn't recognoze the line he'd crossed, the way it would be recieved and COULD be verified or denounced, and most of all missed the implications entirely. I think he DID mean to "warn off"/implicitly threaten the AD and UF officials behind him (their relationship we now are finding out had been deteriorating for some months)--but that only makes it more baffling, probably indicative of his arrogance: Apparently never even considered what it meant both to the program (for eg, recruiting: What does a parent think when they hear their son may be headed to a place where racists target their boy for his skin color, and/or local nuts because he drops a pass or two?) AND the administration (who MUST be informed immediately about this sort of thing, so they may act quickly, quietly, in appropriate manner in order to diligently perform their dutiful promise to make every effort to PROTECT every student--starting with an immediate report to the police, etc...That he didn't, then downplayed it, couldn't produce even one example of it happening, indicated both that it prob didn't happen, and that the whole intention was to make them look bad and himself a long-suffering victim).
They were already far into losing patience with Mac--but among the things that they had to weigh and consider were legal and financial ones...and Mac himself then effectively removed those inhibiting strictures: First thing they finally did was bring in their legal and financial experts--and were confidently assured that yes, those were effectively rendered invalid.
"Good ON ya, Mac!" Strange how people's own deeper desires and flaws so often engineer their own demise.
 

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