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mullen says he doesnt want the job at florida
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I don't know man. Miss St isn't that bad of a gig. If you win 8 games a year and make a SEC title game appearance every now and then you are pretty much set for life. He just got a raise, only been there 2 yrs, and it is his 1st head coaching job. While they won't get the signing classes that UF, Bama, LSU, and UGA get, it is not too hard to recruit @ Miss St. (plus you can always go the JUCO route). Plus he just may want to finish what he started @ MSU. He can and is is putting his mark on the Miss St program. It is his program instead of coming to FL and inheriting Urban's.
GainesvillebornNraised
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good i dont really want that kind of spread again it'll just be more of the same with a little more passing
maybe im wrong he might just play small ball cuz of the MSU talent he might have a couple players he could turn into great WR's in the spread dunkley, debose, dunbar, hines, patton etc.
patterson is my hope i like that prostyle and harbaugh
maybe im wrong he might just play small ball cuz of the MSU talent he might have a couple players he could turn into great WR's in the spread dunkley, debose, dunbar, hines, patton etc.
patterson is my hope i like that prostyle and harbaugh
If there's one thing we KNOW by now, if you ain't got The Fire, don't even bother thinking about it--not only won't you make it, we don't WANT ya without it!
In fact, permit me to lay this out once and for all...
Among all the things we've learned and gone through over the last year or two of this rollercoaster we've been riding here at Urban's Gatorland, two important (and related) lessons stand out:
(1) In bigtime college football, the Head Coach (along with his "crew" of assistants) REALLY makes the difference. All the talent, speed and depth on the field, and fame, facilities and tradition off, doesn't mean a whole lot without a great coach to bring it all together, focus them on a goal and put that team each week in position to exceed their potential and win. The difference between our last coach and Meyer, who replaced him with results he immediately got with essentially the same personnel, perfectly embodies this simple, powerful rule.
(2) No matter how great a coach has been, no matter how much knowledge, experience and insight he possesses to go with that record of unmatched success AND the usual collection of outstanding talent, his team's slide toward mediocrity begins the moment he loses that "Fire" I mentioned above--more precisely, that combination of passion and obsessive determination underlying the intuitive "feel" he has for the game AND his players, what's happening and what's GOING to happen with either (Escambia94 referred to it as "mojo" the other day, and that's as good a term as any). We can debate exactly how and when he lost it--slowly, starting early in TT's final season, or suddenly in Atlanta at the SEC Championship, or elsewhere--but the fact remains: the moment Urban Meyer lost HIS "mojo", he wasn't the same coach, and everything about the Gator team changed. In retrospect, his demeanor on the sidelines, that completely "disconnected" look, was just the final, clearest outward manifestation of it--but it had long since begun to show itself more and more in the product on the field.
So in our next coach, while we can't get "another Urban Meyer", I think we CAN get and must look for another guy with that MOJO, the passion and fire to go with all his vision and rep and new ideas. He'll be the one who really WANTS the high level challenge and expectations at the University of Florida, who burns to be The Head Gator. Like Urban Meyer did when HE first came here.
I believe J. Foley is a very bright guy, and I think that (although he'll have different terms for it) he recognizes and takes these very points into account--if he brings in a relatively "new guy from outside", a young hot coach without prior Gator or even SEC connections, experience or history, it'll be due to consideration of just these factors.
In fact, permit me to lay this out once and for all...
Among all the things we've learned and gone through over the last year or two of this rollercoaster we've been riding here at Urban's Gatorland, two important (and related) lessons stand out:
(1) In bigtime college football, the Head Coach (along with his "crew" of assistants) REALLY makes the difference. All the talent, speed and depth on the field, and fame, facilities and tradition off, doesn't mean a whole lot without a great coach to bring it all together, focus them on a goal and put that team each week in position to exceed their potential and win. The difference between our last coach and Meyer, who replaced him with results he immediately got with essentially the same personnel, perfectly embodies this simple, powerful rule.
(2) No matter how great a coach has been, no matter how much knowledge, experience and insight he possesses to go with that record of unmatched success AND the usual collection of outstanding talent, his team's slide toward mediocrity begins the moment he loses that "Fire" I mentioned above--more precisely, that combination of passion and obsessive determination underlying the intuitive "feel" he has for the game AND his players, what's happening and what's GOING to happen with either (Escambia94 referred to it as "mojo" the other day, and that's as good a term as any). We can debate exactly how and when he lost it--slowly, starting early in TT's final season, or suddenly in Atlanta at the SEC Championship, or elsewhere--but the fact remains: the moment Urban Meyer lost HIS "mojo", he wasn't the same coach, and everything about the Gator team changed. In retrospect, his demeanor on the sidelines, that completely "disconnected" look, was just the final, clearest outward manifestation of it--but it had long since begun to show itself more and more in the product on the field.
So in our next coach, while we can't get "another Urban Meyer", I think we CAN get and must look for another guy with that MOJO, the passion and fire to go with all his vision and rep and new ideas. He'll be the one who really WANTS the high level challenge and expectations at the University of Florida, who burns to be The Head Gator. Like Urban Meyer did when HE first came here.
I believe J. Foley is a very bright guy, and I think that (although he'll have different terms for it) he recognizes and takes these very points into account--if he brings in a relatively "new guy from outside", a young hot coach without prior Gator or even SEC connections, experience or history, it'll be due to consideration of just these factors.
Can't say I agree...for one thing, it'd take several SEASONS to reshape all facets of the offense, personnel AND style of play, to make that change work at the level you envision (and one that would satisfy Gator Nation--we are notoriously impatient for success).
Meanwhile, I believe there is PLENTY of innovative flexibility and potential for surprise and explosive dominance left in the Spread as it was envisioned BY Urban Meyer FOR the longterm evolving exploitation of the Florida Gators--no matter WHAT version were to be the one settled on. One of these young guys running their own latter day elaboration would go apesh*t for what he could do here, immediately and in the future. So don't worry or feel too badly if that hire were to bring a Head Coach running some kind of "__?__-Spread". The whole idea will be to run up "pinball numbers", "hang a half-a-hundred on 'em" while we shape and reinforce what will eventually be a shutdown defense to go with it.
GainesvillianReptillian
Gator Fan
Coach says for now he hasn't given Gators "a second's thought."
Here is the link to the article the op refers to...
Mississippi State coach Dan Mullen says he isn't mulling Florida Gators job | jacksonville.com
Here is the link to the article the op refers to...
Mississippi State coach Dan Mullen says he isn't mulling Florida Gators job | jacksonville.com
I've given this some more thought, and Patterson IS worth considering, IMO. I'm just not so sure "prostyle" describes his offensive philosophy; in fact, call it what you like, he appears to run a highly flexible variation on some of the "hybrid" versions of the Spread which younger coaches have adapted from the "original" one(s) (eg. Urban Meyer's)--which of course were THEMSELVES descended from pulling elements from MUCH older formations like the single- and double-wing sets, and melding them with the modern shotgun and option attacks. We're seeing one small part of it used in the pros now in the "Wildcat", but it's dubious how much further it'll go there (no one believes it can work there as a full time offense).
The point is, it seems clear Patterson could do a lot without a wholesale dramatic change in either the kind of players OR the "feel" of his offense, were he to come over to the Gators. Even Urban was angling for more of a power-run approach, searching for the right RB to add toughness to balance his offense since Tebow left--Mack Brown was his next candidate, and he may BE the guy, we don't know yet.
SEC_Supreme
Gator Fan
I like how the article header for Mullen said he wasn't considering Gators "for now". No where in the article does he actually say that. He says he is 100% committed to MSU.
Meanwhile, the Rumor Mill over on ESPN says Peterson is the top candidate and that UF will have a coach in place by next week...?
Meanwhile, the Rumor Mill over on ESPN says Peterson is the top candidate and that UF will have a coach in place by next week...?
This is more a visceral, intuitive thing, rather than purely analytical (though there are sound subjective reasons as well), but more and more I find I'm leaning towards one of the "hot young innovators" from out west, with Peterson at the top of the list. Actually, that was also my FIRST inclination, but with so many decent alternatives and our Program's "braintrust" (Foley, Machen et al) in the catbird's seat, such a pivotal decision made me thoughtful, circumspect, cautious to the point of over-rationalization if I'm not careful--so at a certain point I guess it's time to CUT THRU' THE BULLSH*T, and when I do, that's what my GUT tells me is the right move.
The Zooker
VIP Member
I think Mullen's feelings got hurt when found out he was an alternate fall back candidate for the position. Foley has been dropping hints that he prefers somebody with more experience as a head coach.
Well, if it "falls" to him, he'd be foolish not to jump at it, from a purely career-move POV, don't ya think? In any event, with that kind of thin-skinned sensitivity (that's the way this BUSINESS runs sometimes, dude), in fact with ANY hesitation, personally I don't WANT him. As I've said before, we want someone (especially if a former UF OC) who BURNS to be the Head Gator--otherwise, don't bother.
The Zooker
VIP Member
You can't really tell much these days from what the candidates are saying. I don't know of a single big hire that didn't deny reports of him leaving his current job for a new position. They never say anything other than that they are happy where they are at.
Mullen would not come here for the aforementioned reasons, plus he would not want his former boss hiding in the shadows down the hallway as advisor. Also, Mullen probably would not handle the pressure cooker as head ball coach at Florida. He can handle it just fine at MSU where, as sumguy put it, "[All he has to do is] win 8 games a year and make a SEC title game appearance every now and...[be] pretty much set for life." Coach potentials see us and know that at Florida, 7-5 is unsatisfactory. Tough sell.
