Since Elway became the VP of I don't know Kissing Pat Bolwen's ass (OK "football operations" Really I think), it seems he made it a mission to get rid of Tebow from day one even though if it wasn't for Tebow, the Broncos would have drafting in the top ten and not in the playoffs. Also would have committed to Tebow if not Manning availability. Manning really? San Fran has the better team especially since they add Randy Moss and Mario Manningham and choses Denver? Is Manning really that desperate to beat a Gator? and don't get me started with the Bronco fans and Jim Irsay. Not freaking happy.
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Who to hate more: Elway or Manning?
- Thread starter Leakfan12
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Yeah, I'm a bit bewildered by this choice as well...it seems an awful lot like he went to the place where they STROKED him hardest. I'll tell ya this: I'm just not gonna feel real sorry if he gets his @$$ creamed right out of the game, OK? Look good on ALL of 'em...End their happy little group-grope that's got nothing to do with anything more than their collectively WAY oversized egos--PM's included, apparently.
But as I asked on your other thread ("It's Official..."), what's left out there, in your opinion, Lf? I'm referring now to both TT, AND (albeit to a lesser extent) the Florida pro franchises--though the fact that these two SEPARATE areas-of-concern AREN'T more related to each other is a subject all its own...
But as I asked on your other thread ("It's Official..."), what's left out there, in your opinion, Lf? I'm referring now to both TT, AND (albeit to a lesser extent) the Florida pro franchises--though the fact that these two SEPARATE areas-of-concern AREN'T more related to each other is a subject all its own...
Timmy will be fine no matter what happens. As for the Broncos, it was the best business decision. If Jesus is angry at Denver for doing this to the Chosen One, may he smite the Broncos for 40 years.
Um, one thing I can tell y'all (and PM in particular, if he were to ask) for SURE, having broken a vertebrate in MY neck some years ago, is that even with a "complete recovery", there is no escaping the deep ache that moves in , throbbing up into head, down arm and even sometimes the lower back-and-hip with pressure changes that come with changes in weather fronts--and they've got HEIGHTENED "pressure changes" up there at altitude, not-to-mention strong fronts moving in regularly all year, especially in the Fall and Winter...They are talking about his "fusion having taken", being "stable", but that has nothing to do with the kind of effects I'm talking about. It can trigger that weakness he's still just "rehabbing" out of too, with shots and the heavy pain-pills only giving temporary, surface relief that masks what your body is telling you and leaves the athlete open to re-injury--and this time permanent damage.
As for it being "the best business decision", I'm not so sure, given your OTHER arguments, E-, which I find very convincing: Manning will likely be on-the-run from Game 1 on, unless they are able to purchase and bring in, say, the New York Giants' O-line TOO by opening day...with the one they've got, that collection of no-help receivers and no real running game to speak of (especially now that Tebow won't be back there!), your prediction that he (PM) doesn't make it through the 2012 season is no worse than even-money, from my POV.
As for it being "the best business decision", I'm not so sure, given your OTHER arguments, E-, which I find very convincing: Manning will likely be on-the-run from Game 1 on, unless they are able to purchase and bring in, say, the New York Giants' O-line TOO by opening day...with the one they've got, that collection of no-help receivers and no real running game to speak of (especially now that Tebow won't be back there!), your prediction that he (PM) doesn't make it through the 2012 season is no worse than even-money, from my POV.
Personally I think Tebow should stay in Denver because we don't know what happens if Peyton Manning takes a big hit and if it does how long will he be out. Hey, as a football fan I want Peyton Manning to come back though not with Denver but I don't have a say (well I do but it's Manning decision). I know Tampa Bay is out, so that leaves J-Ville and Miami. Honestly I like for him to go to south beach plus better because David Gerrand will start as QB plus J-Ville already used a top ten pick on a QB already.
Here's the main problem with the whole situation now, not just with Manning's apparent decision but with the known moves, attitudes and intentions of everyone ELSE:
Seldom have we witnessed such a collection of blindly stubborn, thick-headed and hidebound decisions made and carried out in such determined fashion by any group of supposedly practical individuals who, given clear facts and plenty of time to evaluate their own distinct and separate interests, still somehow end up rushing blithely to their collective doom, since the sinking of the Titanic.
(OK, I'm probably overstating the importance and magnitude of events here, but you get the idea...)
Seldom have we witnessed such a collection of blindly stubborn, thick-headed and hidebound decisions made and carried out in such determined fashion by any group of supposedly practical individuals who, given clear facts and plenty of time to evaluate their own distinct and separate interests, still somehow end up rushing blithely to their collective doom, since the sinking of the Titanic.
(OK, I'm probably overstating the importance and magnitude of events here, but you get the idea...)
InkedAdrenaline
VIP Member
I hate them both
(laughing) Elway is EASY to despise...I didn't come in with any deep resentment of Peyton, but it could get that way pretty quickly, I guess, given the way he seems to have "caved to the heaviest flatterer". One thing is certain, he made his (very poor) choice on his own with eyes wide open, and as much as I'm looking forward to the hilarious public spectacle of ELWAY'S humiliating demise, I sure won't find much sympathy for PM in the inevitable on-field destruction that will herald "Little Johnie's Fall From Grace".
I hate Elway more, He was treated like crap by Dan Reeves who in 1992 drafted a QB in the first round and if Reeves wasn't fired after the 1992 season (and Tommy Maddox traded) Elway would have gone to Washington. However he does the same things to Tebow he Reeves did to him expect he succeed in getting rid of Tebow in less time mind you.
I remember that whole fiasco...and I was never a Reeves fan--but in fact, Elway and Shanahan (ANOTHER coach I like even LESS, since he used his one year as the Gator OC as a stepping stone to his first NFL coaching gig, after showing up while I was there and talking about being "a Gator, thru' and 'thru' ", then bolting--and never even giving even an acknowledgment to us since, like he was too big a figure henceforth and/or never was here or something) managed to make Reeves seem a sympathetic figure, forlorn and betrayed, in the way Shanahan (who Reeves brought in, as I recall) went behind his back and stroked Elway, quietly and relentlessly convinced him HE'D be the Head Coach who shaped a team around him, and got the young Little Johnie (who was already "The Hope of the Franchise"--Reeves wanted him to learn patience and "grow up some", and probably WASN'T so sold on his "readiness" to lead an NFL team) to go to the owner, who he was tight with, and in this way they engineered Reeves' ouster.
So this is a double hypocrisy on Elway's part: in the way he repeats Reeves lack of faith in HIM in his even more callous, even hostile treatment of Tebow, as you say, AND the sleazy way he handles it as GM, like his mentor, the slippery Shanahan, does as a coach--Did you read his statement/release regarding the trade, right after the Jets announced it? Elway actually tries to frame this in terms of "being sorry", "recognizing Tim's talent and future" and therefore "giving him the opportunity for success" elsewhere. If he meant ANY of that he could have given him his unconditional release like he did Kyle Orton (or even a conditional one where those two later-round draft-choices were stipulated from any team that signed him), but of course that isn't the truth at ALL--and "the truth" has little to do with that $5.2 mil "bonus pay-back" either. Hell, you could just take that last statement/kiss off and basically read every word of it as meaning exactly the opposite of what is said, and you would finally have an accurate and truthful appraisal of John Elway's hopes, attitude and intent where Mr. Timothy Tebow is concerned.
totenkopf13
Gator Fan
Elway for sure.
I know Pat Robertson is pissed and said the same thing that some of us been saying.
I wish HE had just kept it to himself and his congregation--or better yet, kept his mouth SHUT...HIS "take" was over-the-top, and makes the rest of us easy to lump together with his borderline hysterical-craziness (eg. That he "hopes God will punish John Elway", and actually implies he's wishing Manning is injured further--shoot, the first is right on the borderline between laughable and actually being a mockery of Christianity, while the second is hypocritical--I have said it may well HAPPEN, PM getting hurt, but that is part of why it's a poor choice on HIS part going there--and Elway's in putting all the Broncos' eggs in that one fragile basket--behind a porous O-line!).
No, the best line I've heard summing up a commentator's take on this whole Tebow-deal was on late-night talk-radio, and, sadly, I FORGET who said this (there were so MANY media persons clamoring for attention and air-time), 'cause it's a good one, the best overview/quickshot sum-up I heard:
"Tebow's gonna go to New York and become a bigger story still, they're gonna love him there, and he will find a way to get in and respond...meanwhile, Elway's gonna be seen more and more as the "Isaiah Thomas" of the National Football League, the guy who ruined his team with a series of failures and foolish decisions, including and most famously for this one."
Now THAT sums it up nicely. Pretty good, huh? (If anyone knows or comes across the exact quote and the person who said it, please let us know here: He deserves credit for saying it, and saying it RIGHT.)
Well Elway had some success with the Arena League Denver team winning a title though the team is gone so I think it's a little much calling him the Isiah Thomas of the NFL. For Peyton, I want him to come back and throw for 400 TDs and more. I Hope Peyton has success like I hope Tebow does in NYC, Elway not so much.
Really? Did I miss something, Lf? You seem to have drastically shifted your position(s) on these matters in the last couple of days...
(...No matter what, Elway's future, the way he will be viewed and that of the team he runs, whereby he has done all he could to run Tim Tebow's career into the ground, now depends COMPLETELY on Manning's success, so there is really no separating the two--and the fact still remains, Manning is a less-than-mobile QB, who's getting older and is fresh off a BROKEN NECK, about to be operating behind a highly suspect O-line with little in the way of a running game.
Kind of a bad time to switch from "he brought this on himself with poor choices" to "I wish him nothing but success and the best of luck...", don't you think?)
Elway's gone "All in" with Manning, though--and for reasons I don't completely understand and (like everyone else) can only guess at, Manning chose to step into the role that this "Elway-gamble" had fitted out for him.
There IS no "gray area" or "partial success" here that I can foresee: it either works, Peyton is able to carry that whole offense and the Broncos thrive on his arm and play-calling, or it doesn't, and it all comes crashing down--either precipitated by or culminating IN his being ultimately knocked out of the game, likely for good.
It isn't a MATTER of "wanting" to see him hurt; like you, while I have little but contempt for Elway (even as a great player, his arrogant, under-handed, and manipulative back-stabbing nature was even then much in evidence), I admire excellence and have always enjoyed watching PM work, and appreciated his calm and low-key approach (not to mention his droll, dead-pan humor OFF the field)...However, as we've discussed, he made this choice himself and with "eyes wide open". He will have to live with the consequences, whatever they may be.
I really cannot hate Manning. 20 teams out of 32 would have dumped their QB for his talent, even with the risk of losing him permanently to injury.
Only a handful of owners and VPs would have dumped Tebow for a questionable Manning. Apparently Horse Face is one of them.
Horse Face will be a genius or an idiot based on Manning's success. Tebow may not get a chance to prove Horse Face an idiot unless Jesus himself smites Mark Sanchez.
Only a handful of owners and VPs would have dumped Tebow for a questionable Manning. Apparently Horse Face is one of them.
Horse Face will be a genius or an idiot based on Manning's success. Tebow may not get a chance to prove Horse Face an idiot unless Jesus himself smites Mark Sanchez.
...Or Sanchez HIMSELF does. That may in fact be the chink in HIS armor, based on last year's self-destruct.
(...and I DON'T wanna hear anything about "racism" or "ethnic overtones", etc. either--I was ready to post a whole rant about how the use of perfectly good and valid English words are ridiculously misunderstood, their users attacked because of misplaced over-sensitivity, etc., how this thing with Lin was just the latest of a NUMBER of such absurd "controversies" we REALLY should be LAUGHING at ourselves over, but I decided to just give y'all a pass and the benefit-of-the-doubt--sort of...Oh, and I really LIKE that latest identifier, E-: "Horse Face." Right-on.)
