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Anyone want the Noles to join the SEC?
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In answer to the question posed in the title: NO!!! So many reasons why, ones I and many others have stated over and over here and elsewhere, but WE just need one: as SEC-members we have a recruiting advantage in one of the two most fertile recruiting grounds in America (the other being Texas--where our conference does NOT have a presence currently, and where oh whatta-ya-know A&M is located)...why would we offer them THAT? Similarly (and more central to the SEC's at large concern), UF, statistically the most popular program in the state, already HAS this state's TV-market pretty well sewn up; FSU adds nothing to this. The list goes on and on: they don't fill their OWN stadium, they don't travel well, they don't really fit the "SEC-culture", and they don't WANT "in", aspiring to nothing more than "big-fish-in-small-pond"-stature in the ACC, which they only this year believe they are about to return to for the first time in a decade, to name just a few more.
There are a number of more attractive alternatives, whether we just want to even it up at 14 teams (with A&M), and/or the "presidents and chancellors" (who meet Sunday night to discuss all of this) eventually decide to go to 16. For a pretty good (and entertaining) overview as a starting point, go to the "GatorsFirst" site and see the entry, "SEC Expansion and Screw FSU".
There are a number of more attractive alternatives, whether we just want to even it up at 14 teams (with A&M), and/or the "presidents and chancellors" (who meet Sunday night to discuss all of this) eventually decide to go to 16. For a pretty good (and entertaining) overview as a starting point, go to the "GatorsFirst" site and see the entry, "SEC Expansion and Screw FSU".
DOGatorFrat
Gator Fan
DRU could not have said it any better. Not to mention the academic standard FSU has... Or better yet does not have. Keep them in the ACC!!!
InkedAdrenaline
VIP Member
LOL, yes this, a bunch of dummies haha
AS I recommended, that "GatorsFirst" piece, "SEC Expansion and Screw FSU" is both funny and thorough...there's also some laughs to be had in their latest post, "Muschamp Closes Home Games to Public")...
On the other end of the spectrum, don't bother reading that fool Hays' (at Florida Times-Union/jacksonville.com) latest take on Gators' rejection of FSU's inclusion in the SEC, unless you WANT to get angry...I stumbled on it accidently, already aware of what an IDIOT and closet Gator Hater (not to mention 'Nole AND "The Eeeuuww" apologist) he is...I normally avoid him, shouldn't even mention him to put him down, but it's irritating and disappointing that a slimeball who always gets it wrong continues to operate right in our backyard.
robdog
Gator Fan
I am fine with having them in the SEC. Just makes the conference strong and will always be sweeter when we are 1st place in the SEC. #BringIt
You're a good guy, robdog, you know I appreciate your work here, but on this point, YOU ARE WRONG.
If you can't agree with our LOGICAL arguments against FSU's inclusion in the SEC, then consider the EMOTIONAL one:
We get more than enough of those fools NOW, one SEC team, their cross-state rival, playing them every late-November in the last game of the regular season. With jealousy and envy-driven hostility for all things Gator, as it is their obnoxious trolls inundate the more public Gator-sites, debasing all discussion. Can you imagine them on every Conference-member-site, every week, all the time? Give them no more openings. The same basic point holds, and can be stated in exactly the same way:
"We don't need them."
If you can't agree with our LOGICAL arguments against FSU's inclusion in the SEC, then consider the EMOTIONAL one:
We get more than enough of those fools NOW, one SEC team, their cross-state rival, playing them every late-November in the last game of the regular season. With jealousy and envy-driven hostility for all things Gator, as it is their obnoxious trolls inundate the more public Gator-sites, debasing all discussion. Can you imagine them on every Conference-member-site, every week, all the time? Give them no more openings. The same basic point holds, and can be stated in exactly the same way:
"We don't need them."
Other than Alabama and Auburn, the SEC formula works well when there is only one major power in the state. Vanderbilt is okay with competing with Tennessee because they are a private university drawing from a different kind of talent pool. I joke when I say I don't mind having FSU in the SEC to pick on, because in reality they are snagging talent from the Florida panhandle. They are taking the next Neal.Anderson or Emmitt Smith or Danny Wuerffel from Florida and Alabama. We don't want to give them the leverage nor the privilege. Texas aTm and some schmuck school like NC State would be a nice addition. Georgia Tech is not much of a threat to UGA due to academic standards, and they were a charter member of SEC. Lots of reasons to say no to FSU, lots to say yes to others. If FSU did join I am sure we would still have a slight advantage but the talent pool would be too similar amongst UF, FSU, and Bama.
Well said (funny too..."some shmuck school like UNC..." Yeah, I'm still laughing).
Now: what about "the other shoe" dropping in that UM-Booster-scandal?--It's gonna hit EVERYBODY, with Fla. ground zero--just posted a new thread about it with basic intro, comment and where-to-go to get details.
Now: what about "the other shoe" dropping in that UM-Booster-scandal?--It's gonna hit EVERYBODY, with Fla. ground zero--just posted a new thread about it with basic intro, comment and where-to-go to get details.
TraderGator
Gator Fan
NO!!!
Ain't that a BITCH?!! But it fits, in a weird, twisted way: The NCAA has now established a "scale", of a sort...
Heisman-leading QB of big-time program, Daddy takes the cash and launders it through phony church-foundation fronts: suspended player reinstated without missing ANY games.
Promising QB of long-dirty big-time program, HE takes the cash, no doubt: suspended player sits for 1 game.
Rest of teammates in similar position: suspended players sit increasing number of games with decreasing importance to the team.
Amazing. The NCAA has inadvertently confirmed the most cynical view of its level of desperate willingness to pander, that it's self-perceived mission by now has NOTHING to do with "institutional control" or its lack, but rather holding onto its very "reason to exist" (and the cushy jobs and figurehead "power" its executive council are given), tooth and nail, by doing everything possible to make sure the major schools don't simply abandon them. Their strategy in this regard is just to "know where the bread is buttered"; the message, loud and clear is, "The more important the institution, the easier we'll go, and the more important the player involved is to you, the less time without him we'll levy you in actual punishment."
I used the word "inadvertently" above because, in truth, the NCAA doesn't care WHAT anyone else thinks: they knew the bafflement and outrage this would raise in the public--and IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER TO THEM. Neither fans, reporters nor bloggers pay the bills, nor do they have any say in what the elite programs actually choose to do in the next few years regarding any of the issues on the table that involve their future, and whether they want or even NEED the NCAA along for the ride (and, let's face it, possibly getting in their way) in navigating them. Honor, ethics and "rules" went out the window some time ago.
Heisman-leading QB of big-time program, Daddy takes the cash and launders it through phony church-foundation fronts: suspended player reinstated without missing ANY games.
Promising QB of long-dirty big-time program, HE takes the cash, no doubt: suspended player sits for 1 game.
Rest of teammates in similar position: suspended players sit increasing number of games with decreasing importance to the team.
Amazing. The NCAA has inadvertently confirmed the most cynical view of its level of desperate willingness to pander, that it's self-perceived mission by now has NOTHING to do with "institutional control" or its lack, but rather holding onto its very "reason to exist" (and the cushy jobs and figurehead "power" its executive council are given), tooth and nail, by doing everything possible to make sure the major schools don't simply abandon them. Their strategy in this regard is just to "know where the bread is buttered"; the message, loud and clear is, "The more important the institution, the easier we'll go, and the more important the player involved is to you, the less time without him we'll levy you in actual punishment."
I used the word "inadvertently" above because, in truth, the NCAA doesn't care WHAT anyone else thinks: they knew the bafflement and outrage this would raise in the public--and IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER TO THEM. Neither fans, reporters nor bloggers pay the bills, nor do they have any say in what the elite programs actually choose to do in the next few years regarding any of the issues on the table that involve their future, and whether they want or even NEED the NCAA along for the ride (and, let's face it, possibly getting in their way) in navigating them. Honor, ethics and "rules" went out the window some time ago.
shandsgator8
VIP Member
What everyone else said: No
What I don't understand is the "logic" in choosing which programs are special enough to warrant letting them get by with breaking the rules? Miami is not on the list of most profitable programs, nor is Auburn. I threw in aTm and F$U just for comparison sake. This list below represents the top ten programs that should be "allowed" to break the rules since they bring the most profit to the NCAA. I threw in their endowment to show that sometimes the endowment from research and alumni donations far exceeds the self-generated profit.
editor's note: I cannot get the table below to format correctly in any mode.
value profit endowment titles W/L % bowl % Stadium seating Undergrad population
1 Texas Longhorns $119M $59M $14.1B 4 71.7% 54.1% 100,119 38,168
2 Notre Dame Drunken Irish $108M $38M $6.8B 11 73.3% 50.0% 80,795 8,371
3 Penn State Joe Paterno Lions $99M $50M $1.5B 7 69.0% 67.5% 107,282 38,594
4 Nebraska Cornhuskers $93M $49M $1.14B 5 70.2% 51.1% 81,067 18,955
5 Alabama Crimson Tide $90M $45M $515M 13 70.7% 60.0% 101,821 24,884.00
6 Florida Gators $88M $41M $1.1B 3 63.1% 50.0% 88,548 32,064
7 LSU Tigas $68M $39M $554M 3 64.3% 54.8% 92,542 23,686
8 The Ohio State Suckeyes $85M $40M $1.87B 7 71.6% 45.2% 102,329 38,479
9 Georgia Leghumpers $84M $45M $572M 2 64.6% 61.9% 92,746 34,885
10 Oklahoma Sooners $83M $40M $968M 7 71.7% 60.5% 82,112 20,892
NR aTm Aggies $41M $25M $5B 1 59.9% 41.9% 83,002 36,952
NR FSU Criminoles ~$20M $2M $453M 2 67.1% 60.0% 82,300 31,005
But look to the people who serve dual roles, say as high ranking school official AND heading up (and acting as public spokesman FOR) the NCAA's enforcement committee, as with Miami, or as the highly visible Head Coach at a powerful and successful school AND one of the ESPN pointmen on THEIR "panel of experts" examining the same issues, as with Alabama.
There are many more whose names we DON'T recognize but who are in position to curry and dispense favor. The list goes on and on, but you get the basic point--individuals accrue and exert power in covert as well as overt ways.
I worked in Hollywood for many years and saw this at work so often that I became cynically numb to it--you either accept it or you are constantly frustrated, disappointed and unhappy (you'll note I live in Austin now, sometimes to my professional detriment, less so that of my happiness and sanity). There are countless individuals you've never heard of, mediocrities who shine at absolutely nothing in the creative process of making movies, who have found a niche and staked out their little fiefdom as gatekeepers who must be negotiated in some fashion if the "business of film" is going to continue smoothly. So it is in College Football and the NCAA today: it's COMMERCE, and while money does ultimately underlie all decisions, how it does so, who benefits and who decides how that works, and the byzantine circuitous route it takes going to all those places--some large and some tiny, some a matter of public record and many others "not so much"--is a story that these folks have a vested interest in keeping quietly hidden.
We'll never have even close to "all the information", so it'll never make any logical sense except in the above general way.
There are many more whose names we DON'T recognize but who are in position to curry and dispense favor. The list goes on and on, but you get the basic point--individuals accrue and exert power in covert as well as overt ways.
I worked in Hollywood for many years and saw this at work so often that I became cynically numb to it--you either accept it or you are constantly frustrated, disappointed and unhappy (you'll note I live in Austin now, sometimes to my professional detriment, less so that of my happiness and sanity). There are countless individuals you've never heard of, mediocrities who shine at absolutely nothing in the creative process of making movies, who have found a niche and staked out their little fiefdom as gatekeepers who must be negotiated in some fashion if the "business of film" is going to continue smoothly. So it is in College Football and the NCAA today: it's COMMERCE, and while money does ultimately underlie all decisions, how it does so, who benefits and who decides how that works, and the byzantine circuitous route it takes going to all those places--some large and some tiny, some a matter of public record and many others "not so much"--is a story that these folks have a vested interest in keeping quietly hidden.
We'll never have even close to "all the information", so it'll never make any logical sense except in the above general way.
