Fire Meyer?

[TraderGator]

Hi Everybody! My first post here . . .

I've tried to discuss some things on "another" forum and risked getting banned for not blowing sunshine, so:

1 - I think Coach Meyer will retire for good at the end of this season. He will not fire or demote Adazzio and what now looks like a great experiment to allow Adazzio to be the "real coach" all season so he could step into the job has failed 100%.

2 - The DC should be given another year . . . with an OC that can actually coach and keep drives alive for more than 3 plays before the defense has to constantly come back on the field against SEC speed.

3 - I think Tim Tebow was far more responsible for the Gators' success last year than anyone knows.

4 - I now question whether Coach Meyer was really the brains behind the team as he had far better athletes than the other teams and 2 Head Coaches doing all the coaching. Now that he's more on his own, even with far better players, he doesn't look so innovative and great to me. He hasn't made any significant adjustments and will not play clearly better, but younger, players. Who doesn't believe that Coach Spurrier would have also won at least the same 2 MNC's with the NFL players Coach Meyer had these last few years?

Glad they shut down the "other" board last night and I found you guys.

 

[GatorfanMustangowner]

Reed isn't riding the bench, he's played another position same with Burton.

Well DUH we all knew that but he isnt playing QB where he needs to be !

 

[Escambia94]

Another thing that may prevent Urban's firing would be the promise of Driskel being the best fit for the 2012 Gators, with one year to develop him. Look at Driskel's high school video. Horrendous o-line, decent but not great receivers. I never even saw a running back in his videos, but I assume that is because the coverage is focused on Driskel so they cut out those plays and we do not get the complete picture. We want to salvage 2010 to determine whether or not Meyer deserves to come back, but I think it's written in stone that he will coach in 2011 based on recruits his staff snagged. In other words--he got a bye in year 1 of the post-Tebow era. He gets one year to develop his next Tebow, and 2012 is his break point. That's all I can guess.

 

[DRU2012]

If Meyer wants to stay, then he has without a doubt earned the right to try and turn this program around.

However, if his heart isn't here and he has in fact lost the edge that made him great, then he needs to retire.

Um, "his heart ISN'T there and he HAS in fact lost the edge that made him great".
Yes, he needs to retire.
(And we, in our formerly "blind loyalty" refused to believe it, all-but-dragged him back when he had that moment of what we now know was clarity, and resigned. Note to self: when someone in a crucial position tells you they want out, accept that resignation PRONTO...do NOT even THINK about you or they "reconsidering". They know they are done: respect and accept it. Anything else guarantees trouble, is BEGGING for it.)

 

[InkedAdrenaline]

HELL NO! Meyer stays, adazio and brantley get hit by busses!!!

 

[DRU2012]

Hi Everybody! My first post here . . .

I've tried to discuss some things on "another" forum and risked getting banned for not blowing sunshine, so:

1 - I think Coach Meyer will retire for good at the end of this season. He will not fire or demote Adazzio and what now looks like a great experiment to allow Adazzio to be the "real coach" all season so he could step into the job has failed 100%.

2 - The DC should be given another year . . . with an OC that can actually coach and keep drives alive for more than 3 plays before the defense has to constantly come back on the field against SEC speed.

3 - I think Tim Tebow was far more responsible for the Gators' success last year than anyone knows.

4 - I now question whether Coach Meyer was really the brains behind the team as he had far better athletes than the other teams and 2 Head Coaches doing all the coaching. Now that he's more on his own, even with far better players, he doesn't look so innovative and great to me. He hasn't made any significant adjustments and will not play clearly better, but younger, players. Who doesn't believe that Coach Spurrier would have also won at least the same 2 MNC's with the NFL players Coach Meyer had these last few years?

Glad they shut down the "other" board last night and I found you guys.

I pretty much agree with at least 90% of the above:
1 - Interesting take on what has gone on; not sure if it's actually dead-on, but it's one conclusion that DOES fit the facts. Provided Addazio is gone, I for one would now welcome that resolution.
2 - Doesn't really matter what we think; once Meyer were to leave, it'll be up to whatever new Head Coach Foley hires; if it's just Addazio who goes (or at LEAST is seriously demoted, call it whatever they like--though I just don't see it happening that way--too reasonable, after all this stubbornness), then you might see a less radical turn-over.
3 - You know, I went to sleep last night with the very same thought: ie. That Tebow WAS far more responsible for the success we saw the last few years--on AND off the field--than even WE gave him credit for. He covered over a lot of these coaches' limitations, it now seems (something we only BEGAN to see, in SPITE of TT, as last season progressed--only to have it finally, inevitably blow up in our faces at the SEC Championship).
4 - Can't really argue with your take here, but I don't want to dwell on SS and the past, "what-might-have-been" or even "what-should-have-been"--what matters now, I'm sure you agree, is the future, immediate and otherwise:
How do we clean up this mess and move FORWARD?

 

[sumguy]

Another thing that may prevent Urban's firing would be the promise of Driskel being the best fit for the 2012 Gators, with one year to develop him. Look at Driskel's high school video. Horrendous o-line, decent but not great receivers. I never even saw a running back in his videos, but I assume that is because the coverage is focused on Driskel so they cut out those plays and we do not get the complete picture. We want to salvage 2010 to determine whether or not Meyer deserves to come back, but I think it's written in stone that he will coach in 2011 based on recruits his staff snagged. In other words--he got a bye in year 1 of the post-Tebow era. He gets one year to develop his next Tebow, and 2012 is his break point. That's all I can guess.

Ok, if that is true, Who actually develops Driskell into the next Tebow? Mullen is gone and not walking in that door unless Meyer is ousted and maybe not even then. It seems like Addazzio wouldn't go anywhere in this scenario (He helping to bring these recruits in). It seems as if the WR's coach has more input into the offense than the QB coach (That Banzai mess didn't work last year with superior talent). The "system" has devolved into a rhythmless gimmick. Play calling will still suck in this scenario (unless they remove those duties from Addazzio).

On top of this we will have talent turnover at most every position on the team. Probably replacing half of your starting secondary, 4 out of 5 starters on the O-Line, your two most experienced LBs, both starting DE and half of your depth at DT. So on offense you return all of your QBs, RBs and WRs (Moore being the exception) but these groups that haven't had much success in the offense this year.

In this scenario I don't see him surviving to 2012 with road trips to AU, LSU, Kentucky, and SC next year along with an improving Tenn , Bama, and FSU at home. Record wise we project to be about the same as this year. Meaning Foley would have to make the change by your own account.

 

[GainesvillebornNraised]

lol its 1 bad yr guys we look like the biggest babies in the world

addazio has to be demoted tho

 

[DRU2012]

lol its 1 bad yr guys we look like the biggest babies in the world

addazio has to be demoted tho

See? THIS attitude will put us #3 in the state, maybe LOWER by the time we hit rock bottom maybe 3 or 4 years from now. Sorry, GainesvillebornNraised--but LOOK AROUND, man!
FSU tried "flogging that dead horse", just as you recommend for us, and they are STILL struggling, MAYBE starting to get it right once they finally made a change--and all because they "owed the Coach" and wanted to do it "gracefully", which didn't work out ANYWAY...
Miami, on the other hand, has been scrambling from one coach to another, stuck in mediocrity while they try to get it done "by trial and error"--a different but just as valid warning to us.
Both fell rapidly from sustained success at the top to confusion and annual disappointment. We have got to find another way. I don't claim to be the all-seeing wise man who knows the answer. I DO think that we HAVE to MAKE SOME IMPORTANT CHANGES, if we want to avoid that same sort of fall-from-grace.
While I no longer believe this is a one-season-aberration (I'm afraid TOO much is broken, too many new pieces need to be fitted in; we'll have to play a LOT of freshmen and sophomores next season, AND begin again with a new QB, no matter what), we could get it back on track NEXT year and be rolling fast and hard by 2012.

 

[GainesvillebornNraised]

a 4 loss season and were talking about firing meyer? thats just comedy to me


im sorry id like to see the guy that won us 2 titles get another yr or 2 he already resigned once he'll quit on his own


if we fired him after this yr we'd look like a bunch of spoiled little bitches

 

[DRU2012]

To whom are you worried about us looking?
F**K 'EM--they hate us anyway...
"another year or 2"?!! You're KILLING us! The only way you give him ONE more year is IF he moves Addazio aside and brings in someone with passion, imagination and vision to run the offense--you know, what Urban USED to have?
Again: Look at the evidence, especially the examples of what happens when you "dither and dally" in this business.
"Spoiled little bitches"? They have (and WILL) call us worse, WHEN WE WIN!!!

 

[DRU2012]

Is anyone else with me on this?
I know I purposefully staked out the hard-assed, "extreme position", but I am not just being "the Devil's advocate" here. There HAS to be SOME kind of dramatic shake-up, change-at-the-top.

 

[Escambia94]

Ok, if that is true, Who actually develops Driskell into the next Tebow? Mullen is gone and not walking in that door unless Meyer is ousted and maybe not even then. It seems like Addazzio wouldn't go anywhere in this scenario (He helping to bring these recruits in). It seems as if the WR's coach has more input into the offense than the QB coach (That Banzai mess didn't work last year with superior talent). The "system" has devolved into a rhythmless gimmick. Play calling will still suck in this scenario (unless they remove those duties from Addazzio).

On top of this we will have talent turnover at most every position on the team. Probably replacing half of your starting secondary, 4 out of 5 starters on the O-Line, your two most experienced LBs, both starting DE and half of your depth at DT. So on offense you return all of your QBs, RBs and WRs (Moore being the exception) but these groups that haven't had much success in the offense this year.

In this scenario I don't see him surviving to 2012 with road trips to AU, LSU, Kentucky, and SC next year along with an improving Tenn , Bama, and FSU at home. Record wise we project to be about the same as this year. Meaning Foley would have to make the change by your own account.

My assumption is that Foley is okay with a) going 6-6 in 2010 with Brantley b) going 8-4 plus a minor bowl in 2011 as Loeffler grooms Driskel c) expects nothing less than an SEC championship in 2012. It also assumes he does not see the faults in Addazio that we see.

 

[Ufgatorfan]

I wouldn't like to see Meyer out right fired after this season just as long as he see the mistake he has made with certain coaches , mainly Addazio. Our season is done and it looks like we are gator bowl bound. We will in all likelihood lose to SOW. I want to see what Meyer has in store after the season. If he still turns his blind eye to our horrible OC and again refuses to demote a friend then yes I would have no problem with him getting fired. Leaving Addazio as the OC will not make anything easier for us in the years to come. Recruiting will suffer as well as our record. I am now in a wait and see mode. I hope I log on here sometime soon and see that Addazio is out as OC and focusing on the offensive line which needs some serious help. I hope he does the right thing and sees the error in his ways but only time will tell.

 

[GainesvillebornNraised]

To whom are you worried about us looking?
F**K 'EM--they hate us anyway...
"another year or 2"?!! You're KILLING us! The only way you give him ONE more year is IF he moves Addazio aside and brings in someone with passion, imagination and vision to run the offense--you know, what Urban USED to have?
Again: Look at the evidence, especially the examples of what happens when you "dither and dally" in this business.
"Spoiled little bitches"? They have (and WILL) call us worse, WHEN WE WIN!!!

i doubt any good coach would even wanna come here if we did meyer dirty like that

1 bad yr and your out the door???

 

[DRU2012]

My assumption is that Foley is okay with a) going 6-6 in 2010 with Brantley b) going 8-4 plus a minor bowl in 2011 as Loeffler grooms Driskel c) expects nothing less than an SEC championship in 2012. It also assumes he does not see the faults in Addazio that we see.

If he DOESN'T, then Foley is also "part of the problem", and we are well and truly SCREWED.
I mean it, J. Foley is the lynch pin of the whole program now: he is "on point", right at "the sharp end" where the forces "behind the scenes" meet the ones that are responsible for what is happening on-the-field.
Only he can cut through all the BS, has the ear and respect of everyone involved AND the power to "make it stick". If HE can't see what is painfully clear to everyone outside that circle, then things really are going to have to get worse (oh, so much worse) before they finally get "better"--if you call a once-great program having by then fallen to multiple-losing-seasons and nothing "in the cupboard", "better".

 

[DRU2012]

i doubt any good coach would even wanna come here if we did meyer dirty like that

1 bad yr and your out the door???

Every coach knows the reality of this biz--it's "what have you done lately?", and THAT is IT.
Every good, young up-and-coming coach thinks he can do better with the kind of access and resources at a school like UF, and will JUMP at a chance to try. (Anyway, it isn't "1 bad year", it's a whole procession of behavior and results; as a matter of fact, I don't think it would HAPPEN with Meyer's firing unless it was some kind of prideful thing if he was ordered and refused to fire Addazio--and I agree that's unlikely...no, if he is gone after THIS year it'll be by his own hand, with a 2nd resignation, THIS time accepted.)

It's sort of the same with recruits: these young "studs" think in terms of themselves, how fast can they get on-the-field--they'll come as long as SOMEONE with recruiting skills is right there to reassure them, tell them there's a place for them and the glory-to-be. Look at last year and that haul, in the middle of all that crisis and confusion with Meyer, and coaches leaving like the proverbial rats-on-the-sinking-ship!

 

[Escambia94]

Foley is a smart guy. He has most of his athletic department ranked in the top 20 of their respective polls. I *think* he will not fire a coach for one bad season, but nobody knows his threshold for football. Is it 1,2, or 3 seasons and you're done? My guess is it's 2-1/2. I am just trying to rationalize how he looks less pissed off than the Gator fans. Maybe we are crybabies. Maybe we are afraid of seeing what happened to SOW and Da U. Maybe what we don't know is that Meyer used up his Get Out of Jail free card this year. That's my guess. Next year he will be in the "warm seat", and the "hot seat" in 2012 if 2011 is worse than an SEC East championship. It makes sense based on my observations of NCAA football. I can be wrong. I have no further insight than anyone else here.

 

[mjfan23]

Firing Urban is just plain rididculous...

Everyone knew this year would be a drop off from last, look at what we lost. People need to calm down.

Does this team has issues? Absolutley. Should Addazio be a coach? Prolly not. Def not the O coordinator. But for people to people begging for Meyer to step down/be fired is absurd.

Urban knows what hes doing. Hes prooven that in his time at Florida.

 

[DRU2012]

Firing Urban is just plain rididculous...

Everyone knew this year would be a drop off from last, look at what we lost. People need to calm down.

Does this team has issues? Absolutley. Should Addazio be a coach? Prolly not. Def not the O coordinator. But for people to people begging for Meyer to step down/be fired is absurd.

Urban knows what hes doing. Hes prooven that in his time at Florida.

That, my friends, may well be what passes for "conventional wisdom" among the average, more casual fans out there, who no doubt out-number us. It sure as HELL isn't mine.
Now, if you actually have followed our discussions here, no one is "begging for" ANYTHING, and even I understand that Meyer's firing is not only unlikely, it would be a sad day if it came to that.
However, we need to be clear-eyed as to everything that is happening with our beloved Gators now. It's a real mess, with problems that won't just resolve themselves but will take time, insight, imagination and above all CHANGES to be untangled and fixed if we are to get back on track.
If you are among those that want everyone to just shut up and let the rest HOPE it all gets better, then I'm sorry, but I ask you: How do you think this program came so far and got so good in the first place? Do you think the things that got us there are happening now? Do you not recognize that some of the faces have changed--and not just those of the ones that have left?
For one thing, Urban Meyer HIMSELF has changed. I am hereby re-submitting my concept of "Old Meyer" vs "New Meyer". "Old Meyer" proved "he knew what he was doing". "New Meyer" not only has proven nothing, he is steadily building a case for his own retirement.
Sorry. Go ahead and call me names, kill the messenger....but the evidence is THERE.