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What happened after the 2009 SEC title game?
- Thread starter Leakfan12
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Swamp Person
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I don't know LF12. You know I think some put to much into finding the 5stars etc it comes down to getting them to just play. I hate even ranking them coming out of HS because I think they are so young and so easy to brain was themselves they just show up thinking their in no matter what plus they are promised this time to. I say let them earn their stripes when they get to college. Don't give them the ego before its earned in real time with adult thought being added to it.
mjfan23
VIP Member
Is it time to talk about coaching?
I've been thinking (and wondering how and why) the exact same thing, man.
That certainly was the most obvious PUBLIC turning-point. You could see it coming all season though, if you'll recall: that game turned out to be the cliff we were stumbling towards--but we'd already noticed the "stumbling" part.
As far as I can figure, it was the KIND of "talent" Meyer & Co. were bringing in. A decision had been made, I believe, a kind of "deal with the devil": "Never mind about their personalities or warning signs, if they're good, if they're tearing it up in the top Florida prep leagues, especially if they're FAST, grab 'em up--Mickey will get 'em into shape, and coaching'll take care of the rest." Only then all of Meyer's longtime assistants, the guys who MADE it all work, went their separate ways--but the above "philosophy" went on, took hold, inundated the whole program with drama queens, prima donnas, and some of the most selfish head cases this side of Hollywood. Remember what precipitated that very public whipping and turning point at Atlanta against the '09 Tide: a key player getting busted just days before the game. It wasn't Tebow crying that symbolized everything that had gone wrong, that was continuing to GO wrong with our program that day (I thought THAT was OK--he really CARED that much, and I loved him all the more for it): no, it was that vacant, deer-in-the-headlights, "I-don't-have-a clue" look on Urban Meyer's face on the sidelines late in the game.
This Head Coach has MORE than "a clue", but for now he's stuck with too many of Urban's players. I said it before (in response to E'94's list of Questions in a just-posted article here on GE this Sunday morning), and I'll say it again: WE ARE A GUTLESS TEAM. The one kind of team I just can't stand to watch is one that HAS talent, but doesn't "get it done" because they are a brittle shell: all you have to do is hit 'em once, really hard, and they break...even if you can't do that, don't have their level-of-talent, you can still beat them just by tying 'em up and waiting for them to beat themselves. We are THAT kind of team.
Auburn did EVERYTHING to hand us that game yesterday--but we did even more, a LOT more, to hand it back. OK--we've got heartless, headless, GUTLESS players--and now it is time for Coach to be ruthless in clearing room for players who, as he put it, "do things the Florida Way". However, I believe it is only right he take another look at some of his own coaches, as well: start with Special Teams. The line-coaches, too. I'm not saying "fire the bums"--I don't claim to know enough about the details of those jobs OR the specific problems we're having to judge whose responsibility it is, only that there are problems there that have to do with fundamentals and basic technique.
I DO know something about leading men into tough, even deadly situations where you're on your own, where preparation, goals, mutual trust and group cohesion are paramount. Our team is breaking down in all 4 areas. You can't always pick your team, must "make do" with what you've got--and if you're not ready when it hits the fan, well, the results are predictable. We're lookin' at 'em now. At least HERE it really IS "only a game"--but one that means so very much to us all. Time to go back to basics, I mean BASICS:
Coach Will has got to put HIS team together. This is not a Hollywood movie with some guaranteed happy ending. This is NOT "The Dirty Dozen"; more like "The Heartless Hundred", or "The Aimless Eighty".
Might have to shake up the staff as well. It's not just stuff like that sudden case of "the drops" from our return guys (though I think that IS symptomatic of larger problems--just as all those snapping issues were a sign LAST year), it's the chronic problems: the missed INTs, the poor tackling technique, and the PENALTIES. No one makes the big POSITIVE play, it seems, but they sure as hell make the big NEGATIVE ones. Our drives are killed, THEIR drives are extended. We've got a lot of 5-star fools on this team, but the position coaches have got to answer for some of this too.
Thing is, to get to where he needs to get to, he'll have to make a lot of moves, some dramatic and unpopular--especially if/when we tend to keep losing the rest of this season, as I suspect we will with a concentration on getting NEXT year's team set, rather than just getting a win here or there.
As an example, I wouldn't necessarily rush Brantley back in there--not unless you've decided that NEITHER of the true freshman-QBs is likely to be our "guy-of-the-future". So far, the two are both coming up "wanting"--unless Weis sees something in one of them I haven't (entirely possible--I THINK Driskel is the better leader-on-the-field, but it's more a matter of I am sure Brisset is NOT, than anything else), they need more time to sort this out ON-THE-FIELD, in real games--BEFORE next year, if possible. We've GOT to get SOMETHING out of this season, and preparing for NEXT season is all that's really left to us.
Swamp Person
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I would agree whole hearted if these were their players most of THEM were left here by our other coaching staff. You can do what the players allow IMO. It looks like they just don't got it in them. So it is on to our coaches to remove them.
I hate to say it but the only thing different with our TEAM is the offense to me. <From when we were winning.Their unable to hold their own on the field.<The points show this. As for losen to Ala, and LSU this yr. was a given. <They would beat most mid level NFL programs.
To me this is the First per say shocker loss is to the Tigers but Given our #1 QB is out, #2 still hurt, #3 Is #3 lol. I guess I shouldn't of been shocked but I feel my hate for them is to much just to give them the win even if in my mind tells me different.
From what I read on another thread on GE pretty much tells how we were on offense, special teams and defense. I believe every one of them will have a bad game. But when they just never show up there is something wrong. The offense has been off for this three game but whipping. They never even showed up. The Defense sounds like did pretty good (so so) by reading the other thread. Special teams were sucking for sure with dropping their returns. This by who has been praised by most of us on here so I don't know.
It will be awhile before were strong once more I'm sure but calling on he coaches heads is far to the left IMO. Remember alot of last yrs. recruiting class bailed when they found out Myer was out of here. These were ones who had lots of time spent on them by our other staff.You don't just get good players by saying I'm Will from UF come play for me. They got to be recruited to the fullest. So I atleast got to give them time to see how it works for them.
In one thread I stated before the season I would be happy with a .500 season so I guess I will figure I over rated my thinking when we won our 4 but I guess I got to go with what my thoughts were at the start. .500. I'm not a under achiever but I got to be realistic to.
Swamp Person
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Well by reading DRUs post I doesn't even look so so for our defense. I trust his judgement on letting his eyes tell the story.
CaliZona_Gator
Super Senior Member
Can't blame the coaches for the Bama and LSU losses. But with the Auburn game I felt we made some bad choices when it came to who we were putting on the field. Stick with a QB, and give Gillislee the ball.
I don't know about "sticking with a QB"--Brisset was getting NOTHING done with the offense, looked lost and confused out there and didn't audiblize or check-down his receiver-options ONCE...bringing in Driskel, hoping for a spark in a really close game where we hadn't managed a TD yet, seemed a logical move. It just didn't work: Driskel, though he ran the offense much better, didn't have that "spark" either. I'm thinking we may need to rekindle our recruiting efforts at that position a year earlier than planned. Is there a QB-prospect out there, even a DISTANT one out-of-state, we might go after?
Give Gillislee the ball. Seemed a no-brainer--LAST week! Wasn't there some plan we heard about to do just that? Three carries in the 1st qrtr, then nothing; that is NOT what you do with a hard-running back. No "big lead took that away" this time either, obviously. WTF is going on there? Of course, I was asking the same thing about Debose by the 2nd half on Saturday, only to find out (announced by the sideline reporter in the 4th qrtr) late in the game that he had some sort of "leg injury and couldn't go". So who knows?
CaliZona_Gator
Super Senior Member
Well what made me mad was when we saw a little bit of last year. Burton was running the wildcat and marching down the field. As soon as we hit a 3rd down in the redzone the coaches put in a cold Brissett and we didn't convert. I just think that if Burton is working for a drive, give him the opportunity to throw the ball!
God forbid we should see any return to "The Three Headed Monster"!
Point well-taken, no doubt about it. I forgot about that sequence--thought the same thing at the time...Burton gave us a spark, and in a close game like that where things aren't working as planned, why NOT go with the guy that is getting-it-done? The same for Gillislee, who was SUPPOSED to be more involved but wasn't after three carries (where he looked good) in the 1st qrtr. Like you, I am confounded as to what exactly is behind some of the plans, changes-in-plan, apparent lack-of-plan, etc. Is it injury? Is it lack of confidence in the play of certain components of a plan? Something else? The first we find out about eventually; the second probably not. I just have a feeling that the answers have something to do with those "problems at the center" I keep going on about, the "character issues", that lack of heart in too many of our otherwise talented players.
